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Old 09-25-2012, 06:10 PM
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So any APC'ers headed down to the BVIs for the Interline Regatta in a couple weeks?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Yeah, its kinda like that 10 year 777 CA pay rate.
I'm already planning my budget based on that 5 yr 777A rate.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
There are no 330B's at DAL less than ~13 yrs seniority
The point is they will argue for category relative and sue for DFR if they don't get it. Every new hire class they run can move most HI pilots up about a thousand or so numbers (depending on class size of course) if relative seniority ends up having anything to do with it. Also, every time they run a new hire class, the new hires in the class senior to them instantly slot in with 2001-2007 hires. Again, if relative is the model. And rest assured they will fight for it and sue if they don't get it.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:43 PM
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The point is they will argue for category relative and sue for DFR if they don't get it. Every new hire class they run can move most HI pilots up about a thousand or so numbers (depending on class size of course) if relative seniority ends up having anything to do with it. Also, every time they run a new hire class, the new hires in the class senior to them instantly slot in with 2001-2007 hires. Again, if relative is the model. And rest assured they will fight for it and sue if they don't get it.
Was a merger announced?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The point is they will argue for category relative and sue for DFR if they don't get it. Every new hire class they run can move most HI pilots up about a thousand or so numbers (depending on class size of course) if relative seniority ends up having anything to do with it. Also, every time they run a new hire class, the new hires in the class senior to them instantly slot in with 2001-2007 hires. Again, if relative is the model. And rest assured they will fight for it and sue if they don't get it.
Why in the world wouldn't DALPA agree to relative seniority, given recent history?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:51 PM
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Sorry, I thought about this and looked in the contract. If we merge with HAL and a 2012 hire is placed in with say a 1998 hire, just an example, their seniority might have them with those hired in 98 but their longevity for pay purposes would be based on 2012, right?

I never thought about this before but as far as I can tell longevity is based on date of employment as a pilot. So 2012? So while we don't currently have any < 12 year pilots on the 330, we could very soon have some. Maybe even < 12 year 7ER As? I understand that despite what APC shows on its page they do have some junior 767 As?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Sorry, I thought about this and looked in the contract. If we merge with HAL and a 2012 hire is placed in with say a 1998 hire, just an example, their seniority might have them with those hired in 98 but their longevity for pay purposes would be based on 2012, right?

I never thought about this before but as far as I can tell longevity is based on date of employment as a pilot. So 2012?
Longevity, ie. "years of service" for pay rate and for pass travel, is based on date of hire.
Your seniority number is not based on date of hire.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The point is they will argue for category relative and sue for DFR if they don't get it. Every new hire class they run can move most HI pilots up about a thousand or so numbers (depending on class size of course) if relative seniority ends up having anything to do with it. Also, every time they run a new hire class, the new hires in the class senior to them instantly slot in with 2001-2007 hires. Again, if relative is the model. And rest assured they will fight for it and sue if they don't get it.
So the key is to leave DAL and get hired at HAL and get in class before a merger is announced, then you move up a couple thousand numbers. The fences come down and they can say "hmmm... senior 744B or senior 777B? Well, shucks, I've only been here three years. Maybe I should take a Captain slot... +717!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Old 09-25-2012, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Hey. I'm gonna resign my seniority and get on with the NFL. Apparently, they need officials. Might be a short-lived career but they don't have FOQA, or ASAP, apparently. Whose in with me??
The irony is, there is one ref out there saying... "MAN, I CALLED IT RIGHT!"

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Old 09-25-2012, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The irony is, there is one ref out there saying... "MAN, I CALLED IT RIGHT!"

After he got home and the wife ***** slapped the former community college wannabe, maybe not so much.

What amazes me is how completely ignorant NFL headquarters is to the mess they've created. The refs are scabs, that's one thing, the PR debacle is a whole 'notha story.
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