TANSTAAFL

We are a risk averse group (pilots) by nature, and the known is always safer than the unknown. That and it is human nature to make the best of a choice you've made as well as rationalize your decision. All manipulated masterfully by OM and those who decided certain parameters of the TA ahead of the game. When those parameters were met we had a TA and when they knew it might not sit well with the MEC they played it by putting them and the pilots in the position of having to shoot it down knowing full well neither fNWA nor fDAL ever shot down a TA or MEMRAT. The parameters that were supposedly set by the pilots and MEC became aspirational. Well played by the front office. Democracy? Kind of. Could we have done better? Absolutely.

No black helicopters or swans, just heavy handed politics. I think they need to make a Game of Throwns, MEC edition

forgot to bid

here's the thing, to say 100% of the guys who said yes did so because they read the TA, realized it was the greatest thing ever and thus voted yes is disengenious.

id have no trouble whatsoever finding posts that said if you don't vote for this all hell will break loose. the company will go to plan b which is retribution for our slap in the face no vote and you could forget having a contact for years. time value of money ring a bell?

frankly in a way you could argue that there is no reason to let the pilots vote if the only thing theyre allowed to vote is yes. heck, from a couple of reps it sounds like the only thing theyre allowed to vote is yes as long as the NC reaches an agreement.

democracy? yes. but in a one party rule kind of way.

forgot to bid

Let's review, if the company and the NC reach an agreement, you should say yes. If you (kid on the right) decide to say no to a TA, the company (kid on the left) will enact plan B (the ball):



So everyone understand? Vote accordingly.

Oh, it passed?!? Wow, it must be because it's just the greatest thing since apple pie

finis72

FTB, Does it really matter why someone voted yes ? No one I have talked to thought this contract was a slam dunk, almost to a person they contemplated all the ramifications and voted according to their perspective of risk reward and a lot of unknowns. Could we have done better ? maybe, could we have done worse ? maybe. We will never know. To judge this contract 2 months in might be a little premature but my impression of this is some no voters tend to marginalize the majority and insinuate that we somehow don't have the wisdom and knowledge of the exalted and all knowing no voters. I like to read all aspects and views on issues, there are some gems I find in opposing views. If the vote had been no I was all in regardless of the eventual outcome because the majority of my fellow pilots had deemed the TA inadequate but that didn't happen. Two years from now while we are getting ready for the next contract might be a good time to reflect on how good or bad this contract is, time will tell.

Tumbleweed

Has the meeting between Alaska CEO, Brad Tilden and Richard Anderson been discussed? They are meeting tomorrow to announce Delta and Alaska's latest steps in Seattle to include new service and product enhancements. I was curious about what time this meeting will occur and if it is open to the public.

RJtrashPilot

Timbo,

Do you happen to live in northern Kentucky and drive a blue Cooper Mini?

I was just driving behind one and the license plate said "Timbo".

padre2992

Nothing of substance in your post.

What exactly is it about the current policy manual that you don't like? What changes would you recommend that would improve the pay, working conditions, benefits of Delta pilots?

What changes would you recommend that would improve teamwork? Unity? Reduce political BS?

forgot to bid

Good post finis.

SailorJerry

So either they're lying to me about their vote (doubt it) or they're honestly okay to satisfied with it. Once again, you're putting words in the mouths' of other people. What's so wrong with someone doing their due diligence and then being satisfied with the results?

And did you miss the memo about the DC-9 bring the most profitable fleet?

And what's so wrong with the company making money? It's like you want to financially punish them for being fiscally conservative. Would you punish your kid for putting his allowance in savings?

Timbo

Finis72, It'll be a lot sooner than 2 years from now. I was a no voter until I called my Rep. He assured me we will never see those two paultry 3% raises, because we will be back in negotiations by March, 2013, as we merge with... a player to be named later. He didn't know who, but Richard is on record as saying there would be more consolidation and Delta would be a playa'.

I just hope he was right, because if we are stuck with this POS for another 3 years, it is going to suck to be junior, and stay junior even longer, no doubt.

BUT... as we have just seen (and felt) if/when we do merge with someone, it may only result in more Synergy (ie. shrinkage) which means more stagnation for the bottom half of the list.