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Old 08-12-2013 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I see guys complaining that the bucket cutoffs are too high. I just don't see it. LAX 73NB today a guy is in bucket 2 with 32:39 and 1 short-call. How is that onerous?

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Well how many days did it take him to get those hours? If he's in bucket two then the answer most likely is 7 days plus a day of SC.

And now I see the post just prior to mine. So even 7 days of flying & 1 day of SC weren't enough to get to bucket 2; required a MIL day on top of it.
Old 08-12-2013 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Seniority and commuting are a choice.
Let's see we closed MSY, BOS, MCO, PDX, MEM, ORD, DFW and gutted CVG. Yeah if you want to live in ATL you will probably be safe from commuting but for a good many of us it was not really a choice.
Old 08-12-2013 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Let's see we closed MSY, BOS, MCO, PDX, MEM, ORD, DFW, -MIA, IAH- and gutted CVG. Yeah if you want to live in ATL you will probably be safe from commuting but for a good many of us it was not really a choice.
Fixed it for you.

And if you are on the 777 in ATL, you may end up commuting to DTW or LAX, or both!

And...to save you some time looking for Sept. bid awards, I just checked via the back door, nothing yet (Sept. 2012 bids are still there though, if you'd like to see your old seniority number or what you used to hold!!).
Old 08-12-2013 | 02:50 PM
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I thought PERKS was a way to get discounts? I just checked a car rental for 2 days in FL, $88.51 with the discount and $83.48 without our awesome benefit!!
Old 08-12-2013 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
I thought PERKS was a way to get discounts? I just checked a car rental for 2 days in FL, $88.51 with the discount and $83.48 without our awesome benefit!!
Did you tell them you're a pilot?

That will be an extra $20 please!
Old 08-12-2013 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Lets look at his schedule... he's flown 7 of the last 12 days with also one day of .MIL leave in there (and 1 more mil leave day to come) to get to bucket 2. I don't know if the future MIL leave affects the raw. But I'm pretty sure that day of MIL leave he's had adds to the raw score.

So, I think the point is that it takes 8 days of "work" to get into bucket 2 while people two other people in bucket 1 have 15:00 of flying and 0:00.

iaflyer,

You are making my point. He worked 7 days and now he is at the back of the list. Now the guy with 15:00 will go out ahead of him the rest of the month or until he also gets onto bucket 2. If the senior guys never reach bucket 2 our guy is at the back of the list for the rest of the month after only working 7 days.

Now I will agree that the separate S/C bucket issue is not optimal and needs to be improved but I personally don't see 7 days and less than 33 block hours as being unfair to get to bucket 2 especially if it get you to the back of the list for the rest of the month.


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Old 08-12-2013 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
I thought PERKS was a way to get discounts? I just checked a car rental for 2 days in FL, $88.51 with the discount and $83.48 without our awesome benefit!!
the ms discount is the good one. the hotel ones thus far have $0 in savings.
Old 08-12-2013 | 02:59 PM
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im on 8 days of credit plus a sc and still bucket 1. each day has dropped in raw score value from around 11 pts to 10 for me.

heres the thing, so much of what we schedule wise varies depending on a formula. bucket sizes should also vary, high when everyone is flying is fine because you wont even get a chance to care, low in the slow months.

but some people out there really really want alv-2 pay and be assured that they wont fly once or sit one SC. its one thing to do that in the international catrgories in the winter because thats the nature of the beast - its another to fake it on the domestic side.

they want people to work in there place for the same pay... I dont support that.

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Old 08-12-2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I see guys complaining that the bucket cutoffs are too high. I just don't see it. LAX 73NB today a guy is in bucket 2 with 32:39 and 1 short-call. How is that onerous?

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So, working six to seven days is not enough for the junior guy? At what point is it ok for the senior guy to get off the couch and come to work? I just listened to a senior guy talk to an ALPA rep in the JFK crew lounge recently. He was talking about how unfair it is that there are buckets to begin with. He was telling the ALPA rep (and the ALPA rep was agreeing) that reserve should be 100% seniority based. Junior guy always flies. Nice. I know it's coming. Didn't somebody just submit a proposal to remove the bucket system?
Old 08-12-2013 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Fixed it for you.

And if you are on the 777 in ATL, you may end up commuting to DTW or LAX, or both!

And...to save you some time looking for Sept. bid awards, I just checked via the back door, nothing yet (Sept. 2012 bids are still there though, if you'd like to see your old seniority number or what you used to hold!!).
Yeah, what's up with that? It looks like they fingered out the back door trick, now you don't even get the "Ligero... authentication required" page, you just get last years sched! So unsatisfying to not get my monthly,
"I R teh MztR Haxxor!" fix...
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