Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Only when it involves your wife Purple. Thank her again, for me

GJ

Originally Posted by Timbo

Well, first off, we stop comparing our pay to the other bankrupt airlines, when we are no longer bankrupt. We should have set SWA's 737 pay rate as our starting point, for our 737's and worked our way up through the other fleets from there.

We all believe we are worth more and we are. Not only us but other carriers too. The problem is getting either management (preferably) or the NMB to agree with us. Dalpa can stop comparing ourselves to other carriers but we are only one party of essentially a 3 party negotiation of which 2 parties are going to compare us to other carriers no matter what we say or do.

Now, on the whole NMB thing. This is why we need National ALPA representation, vs. DPA. This is why we need PAC dollars. We need to politically persuade the guys who write the laws, to change them to our favor, or at least stop favoring management so heavily. Put a cap on the parking thing, make it 6 months max, then released to self help.

I couldn't agree more!

If that won't work, then we need National to start talking about a nation wide SOS, all ALPA carriers, for a week or so. Let the politicians drive from DC to their condos in Palm Beach. See if that gets their attention.

I could get behind this idea.

The problem with going down that road is, the politicians will quickly be looking to sell our jobs to China, India and the UAE, for more $$$$ into their re-election campaigns. Heck, they are looking to sell us out right now.

That's possible but it would certainly take time and in the meantime, might just bring some light on the issue. But, lets face it, the general public isn't going to have a lot of sympathy for us...

Why there was never a call for a National SOS after 9-11, when all our pay was being cut and our pensions being flushed is beyond me. I said back then, as soon as Delta filed bankruptcy and gutted our contract, we should have all filed for bankruptcy too. If for no other reason than to put a media spotlight on what was going on with our pay/pensions.

Until management and the politicians believe we are ready and willing to use the nuclear option, we will always be giving more than we are getting in contract negotiations. Since I've been working here (and long before I came along) every pay raise was coupled with concessions in other areas of the new contract. We are always giving away scope, benefits, work rules, manning formulas, etc. in exchange for pay rates...and as soon as the company starts losing money, we'll give the pay rates back too.

Oh, I do think management and the politicians believe we would be willing to use the nuclear option. Hence the parking of AA over the years by the NMB. Now, as far as the Delta Pilots go, we do have a history of voting for any agreement. Maybe, if we did have the nuclear option available within a reasonable period, we might have a different outcome? Who knows... We need to have a clear path to that option otherwise we're a cat chasing its tail.

Originally Posted by rahc

Do we still have to flow to the back for INTL jumpseats?

The flight I'm looking at next week is oversold and I'm hoping to still be able to go. How do they deal with a DAL jumpseater?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Delta pilots can jumpseat on Delta jets both domestic and international. An offline jumpseater has to flow back. At least I still think that's the way it is. To jumpseat internationally make sure you check in at least 90 minutes early.

Denny