Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-09-2013 | 05:21 PM
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Well, first off, we stop comparing our pay to the other bankrupt airlines, when we are no longer bankrupt. We should have set SWA's 737 pay rate as our starting point, for our 737's and worked our way up through the other fleets from there.
Now, on the whole NMB thing. This is why we need National ALPA representation, vs. DPA. This is why we need PAC dollars. We need to politically persuade the guys who write the laws, to change them to our favor, or at least stop favoring management so heavily. Put a cap on the parking thing, make it 6 months max, then released to self help.
If that won't work, then we need National to start talking about a nation wide SOS, all ALPA carriers, for a week or so. Let the politicians drive from DC to their condos in Palm Beach. See if that gets their attention.
The problem with going down that road is, the politicians will quickly be looking to sell our jobs to China, India and the UAE, for more $$$$ into their re-election campaigns. Heck, they are looking to sell us out right now.
Why there was never a call for a National SOS after 9-11, when all our pay was being cut and our pensions being flushed is beyond me. I said back then, as soon as Delta filed bankruptcy and gutted our contract, we should have all filed for bankruptcy too. If for no other reason than to put a media spotlight on what was going on with our pay/pensions.
Until management and the politicians believe we are ready and willing to use the nuclear option, we will always be giving more than we are getting in contract negotiations. Since I've been working here (and long before I came along) every pay raise was coupled with concessions in other areas of the new contract. We are always giving away scope, benefits, work rules, manning formulas, etc. in exchange for pay rates...and as soon as the company starts losing money, we'll give the pay rates back too.
Now, on the whole NMB thing. This is why we need National ALPA representation, vs. DPA. This is why we need PAC dollars. We need to politically persuade the guys who write the laws, to change them to our favor, or at least stop favoring management so heavily. Put a cap on the parking thing, make it 6 months max, then released to self help.
If that won't work, then we need National to start talking about a nation wide SOS, all ALPA carriers, for a week or so. Let the politicians drive from DC to their condos in Palm Beach. See if that gets their attention.
The problem with going down that road is, the politicians will quickly be looking to sell our jobs to China, India and the UAE, for more $$$$ into their re-election campaigns. Heck, they are looking to sell us out right now.
Why there was never a call for a National SOS after 9-11, when all our pay was being cut and our pensions being flushed is beyond me. I said back then, as soon as Delta filed bankruptcy and gutted our contract, we should have all filed for bankruptcy too. If for no other reason than to put a media spotlight on what was going on with our pay/pensions.
Until management and the politicians believe we are ready and willing to use the nuclear option, we will always be giving more than we are getting in contract negotiations. Since I've been working here (and long before I came along) every pay raise was coupled with concessions in other areas of the new contract. We are always giving away scope, benefits, work rules, manning formulas, etc. in exchange for pay rates...and as soon as the company starts losing money, we'll give the pay rates back too.
Carl
10-09-2013 | 05:31 PM
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I will ask the DALPA Political Affairs guy and see what he says and let you know. I have a feeling he may say they are busy fighting Emirates' expansion into JFK on the Milan route.
The RLA/NMB thing should have been fought a long time ago.
10-09-2013 | 05:35 PM
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Ref Carl's question:
I would think that rep would vote it down, unless they made a call that their directions were negotiable. Either they were 100% firm, and the rep has to vote the TA down, or they're not, and the rep can use their discretion.
If you send in your attorney to negotiate a settlement along a set of parameters, you know it's within the realm of possibilities he'll come back with the "best he could get", even if below your bottom line.
Conversely, if you're the attorney, and you don't get a deal at your bottom line, but the other party offers something else, I would imagine it's your duty to pass it on to your client for a decision.
It's up to the client to determine what is acceptable or not. The line between an egregious failure, and a an honest attempt to represent, would be super fine, at that point. As long as the customer gets to make the call, it's probably OK.
I have no doubt that our LEC reps gave direction for TA2012 during the "direction phase." The real question is: What is a rep to do when faced with an already signed TA that does not comport with the direction you gave? What is a rep to do when told by the negotiators that "you're not going to like the company's plan B?"
If you send in your attorney to negotiate a settlement along a set of parameters, you know it's within the realm of possibilities he'll come back with the "best he could get", even if below your bottom line.
Conversely, if you're the attorney, and you don't get a deal at your bottom line, but the other party offers something else, I would imagine it's your duty to pass it on to your client for a decision.
It's up to the client to determine what is acceptable or not. The line between an egregious failure, and a an honest attempt to represent, would be super fine, at that point. As long as the customer gets to make the call, it's probably OK.
10-09-2013 | 05:43 PM
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I would say there is no "honest attempt to represent" you, and even if you "get to make the call," if your agent misrepresents your options, you're not going to make a sound decision.
And that's what we had with the sales job on C2012.
...oh, and then your attorney would be sanctioned or disbarred.
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10-09-2013 | 05:48 PM
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not long ago I was flying atl-mci during a bad line of storms. our flight plan had us over texas trying to bust through when we realized we were the only ones up there.
but low and behold someone popped up on TCAS 4000' below and ahead of us. either the Captain (a fun Timbo type) or me called the guy an idiot for flying around this weather. then we realized he might be on to something so "follow the idiot!"
the guy seemed to do a great job until we realized he wasn't going to MCI. we broke out anyways not soon after that and landed as the storms rolled past the field.
all that to say, the guy following the idiot is never the fool. IMHO.
but low and behold someone popped up on TCAS 4000' below and ahead of us. either the Captain (a fun Timbo type) or me called the guy an idiot for flying around this weather. then we realized he might be on to something so "follow the idiot!"
the guy seemed to do a great job until we realized he wasn't going to MCI. we broke out anyways not soon after that and landed as the storms rolled past the field.
all that to say, the guy following the idiot is never the fool. IMHO.
10-09-2013 | 05:51 PM
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10-09-2013 | 06:13 PM
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"Delta said Wednesday that it is setting aside a record $250 million in employee profit sharing for the third quarter, reflecting its strong earnings projections for the three-month period that the airline will report later this month."
Congratulations to DAL employees and your profit sharing. Just curious why it was so necessary for DAL management require such a substantial pay cut at Endeavor (formally Pinnacle) when as stated above, such strong earnings.
Congratulations to DAL employees and your profit sharing. Just curious why it was so necessary for DAL management require such a substantial pay cut at Endeavor (formally Pinnacle) when as stated above, such strong earnings.
10-09-2013 | 06:19 PM
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10-09-2013 | 06:22 PM
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"Delta said Wednesday that it is setting aside a record $250 million in employee profit sharing for the third quarter, reflecting its strong earnings projections for the three-month period that the airline will report later this month."
Congratulations to DAL employees and your profit sharing. Just curious why it was so necessary for DAL management require such a substantial pay cut at Endeavor (formally Pinnacle) when as stated above, such strong earnings.
Congratulations to DAL employees and your profit sharing. Just curious why it was so necessary for DAL management require such a substantial pay cut at Endeavor (formally Pinnacle) when as stated above, such strong earnings.
10-09-2013 | 06:43 PM
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Your daughter stops over on Saturday after work to say hi. She takes a shower before the company picnic and then has a piece of your Key Lime Pie. She has another piece because you make a great pie. You give her a hug tell you love her and then wish her fun at her picnic. Then three days later you get woken up on a layover with a phone call to realize that you will never see her ever again. It is quite trite but true. Enjoy every minute with your kids and family.
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