Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Merry Christmas APC peeps.
I am not sure if it is true or not, but I have read posts that elude to the fact that you are involved with ALPA. If that is the case, how in the world can you post something that says or eludes to flight cancellations being due to pilot sick calls? Really? Who do you represent? This is abhorred, unacceptable... I can't think of any other forum appropriate adjectives that describe my ire.
He's got friends that tell him data which is typically correct, but when he goes to interpret/extrapolate it, it's mostly wrong.
Data point from sailing most other years weve been a bit short but have been able to cover the flying without bunches of cancellations. Correct.
Extrapolation into this year (where we are verifiably considerably shorter than other years): It'll be fine and get covered. Wrong.
Another data point: People called in sick after assignment. Probably happened.
Extrapolation error: That must have caused the cancellations.
Wrong again. A couple very possibly were. There are always a couple of cases with people calling in sick after assignment, with a probable rise of "false" sick calls each holiday. I had to call in after assignment last January. Those calls were not anywhere near the totality of the cancellations this time, though.
The fact is that we were staffed wrong for a variety of reasons.
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Somebody sent me that on FB, and it was scary dead on. Had the exact town I was born in (which is 10 miles from where I have lived my entire life), the town my dad went to college in and where my mom & dad grew up and all our relatives still do.
Something lighthearted:
NYT Dialect Quiz with a map, IN COLOR!!! You'll forward it.
Well, I'm definitely

ATL based. I am firmly BHM in dialect but really anywhere from Texas to Virginia but not Florida.
PVD, we have nothing in common.
NYT Dialect Quiz with a map, IN COLOR!!! You'll forward it.
Well, I'm definitely

ATL based. I am firmly BHM in dialect but really anywhere from Texas to Virginia but not Florida.
PVD, we have nothing in common.
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CAAC,
Sailing said that he heard from a scheduler that Pilots called in sick after an assignment. I say big deal - If you are sick you are sick. I did not see Sailing place any blame.
Pilots call in sick when they are sick. The company cancels flights when they are short Pilots. Unless this was some sort of concerted activity (which I don't believe that it was) too bad for the company for poor planning.
I can think of numerous ways for the company to pro-actively mitigate the usual shortage of crews over holidays, but they apparently think the G/S and IA policies are sufficient. Granted there would be a cost associated with these policies, but then again there is definitely a cost in canceled flights over the Holidays.
Its very unfortunate for our passengers, but I certainly didn't see any intended blame or malice in his statement.
Scoop
Sailing said that he heard from a scheduler that Pilots called in sick after an assignment. I say big deal - If you are sick you are sick. I did not see Sailing place any blame.
Pilots call in sick when they are sick. The company cancels flights when they are short Pilots. Unless this was some sort of concerted activity (which I don't believe that it was) too bad for the company for poor planning.
I can think of numerous ways for the company to pro-actively mitigate the usual shortage of crews over holidays, but they apparently think the G/S and IA policies are sufficient. Granted there would be a cost associated with these policies, but then again there is definitely a cost in canceled flights over the Holidays.
Its very unfortunate for our passengers, but I certainly didn't see any intended blame or malice in his statement.
Scoop
I will also point out that I posted more then once on here that the company should have hired last winter as they announced they would when the contract was signed. They never planned more then 150 pilots however those bodies would have smoothed out the 717 training flow and perhaps saved money overall. The powers to be however felt a first quarter profit was more important for Delta's finances. They may be right based on improving ratings and interest rates. I have no real idea. Regardless they are running the best airline I have seen at Delta in 25 years so all is not lost.
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There was none. Some see black helicopters everywhere. One of the interesting things I have observed over the years is that the biggest blowhards are usually the first to violate the contract or screw over a fellow pilot as long as it benefits them.
I will also point out that I posted more then once on here that the company should have hired last winter as they announced they would when the contract was signed. They never planned more then 150 pilots however those bodies would have smoothed out the 717 training flow and perhaps saved money overall. The powers to be however felt a first quarter profit was more important for Delta's finances. They may be right based on improving ratings and interest rates. I have no real idea. Regardless they are running the best airline I have seen at Delta in 25 years so all is not lost.
I will also point out that I posted more then once on here that the company should have hired last winter as they announced they would when the contract was signed. They never planned more then 150 pilots however those bodies would have smoothed out the 717 training flow and perhaps saved money overall. The powers to be however felt a first quarter profit was more important for Delta's finances. They may be right based on improving ratings and interest rates. I have no real idea. Regardless they are running the best airline I have seen at Delta in 25 years so all is not lost.
I'm curious to see what the company says about it in a few days, and I really hope that communication doesn't come across as accusatory towards the pilot group in any way. Management, as good as they are right now, needs to be a little more fluid in their approach with the pilot group going into next contract.
Basically bank sick time, holiday pay, ability to green slip in advance on big holidays (or whenever scheduling will clearly run dry on reserves).....just a few ideas. If management plans on running an overally lean pilot staffing level then they will need to find other ways to get adequate coverage on certain holidays and/or summertime flying. Basically money talks, and sweetening the pot on busy days and de-incentivizing sick leave abuse are a better solution than not hiring while ignoring the problem.
Just a few of my own thoughts.
When I get called by scheduling to cover a trip, it's happened twice in the last month, the scheduler has alluded to the other pilot as not really being sick. So, my opinion is there is a bias, within scheduling, to assume sick calls are bogus. I think a bias like that is how bad metrics get generated and therefore why decisions on how to respond to/handle the problem are faulty from the start.
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When I get called by scheduling to cover a trip, it's happened twice in the last month, the scheduler has alluded to the other pilot as not really being sick. So, my opinion is there is a bias, within scheduling, to assume sick calls are bogus. I think a bias like that is how bad metrics get generated and therefore why decisions on how to respond to/handle the problem are faulty from the start.
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Holiday Pay, just like the other employees get, would solve all of Scheduling's coverage problems. There would be zero open time left to cover after the first PBS run, and there'd be guys lined up 5 deep to white slip anything that did come open over the holiday.
Every other employee group piggy backs on us when we get raises, I've never understood why that's only a one-way street, but it is.
Every other employee group piggy backs on us when we get raises, I've never understood why that's only a one-way street, but it is.
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I think a lot of the angst is probably due to all the sick call verification/accusation talk on here lately. I'm doubtful that every pilot who calls in sick is a target, just as every pilot who calls in sick is being entirely honest. I have no idea what the final lack of crew cancellation count will be, but I'm sure the lack of coverage will carry over into the next few days and into New Years.
I'm curious to see what the company says about it in a few days, and I really hope that communication doesn't come across as accusatory towards the pilot group in any way. Management, as good as they are right now, needs to be a little more fluid in their approach with the pilot group going into next contract.
Basically bank sick time, holiday pay, ability to green slip in advance on big holidays (or whenever scheduling will clearly run dry on reserves).....just a few ideas. If management plans on running an overally lean pilot staffing level then they will need to find other ways to get adequate coverage on certain holidays and/or summertime flying. Basically money talks, and sweetening the pot on busy days and de-incentivizing sick leave abuse are a better solution than not hiring while ignoring the problem.
Just a few of my own thoughts.
I'm curious to see what the company says about it in a few days, and I really hope that communication doesn't come across as accusatory towards the pilot group in any way. Management, as good as they are right now, needs to be a little more fluid in their approach with the pilot group going into next contract.
Basically bank sick time, holiday pay, ability to green slip in advance on big holidays (or whenever scheduling will clearly run dry on reserves).....just a few ideas. If management plans on running an overally lean pilot staffing level then they will need to find other ways to get adequate coverage on certain holidays and/or summertime flying. Basically money talks, and sweetening the pot on busy days and de-incentivizing sick leave abuse are a better solution than not hiring while ignoring the problem.
Just a few of my own thoughts.
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