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Old 01-14-2014 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Those are asking for trouble. That many legs will take you (the generic you) into and out of a major hub at least once...

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Old 01-14-2014 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
^^^^^YES^^^^^

Instead we have up to 9 hours block, same duty day lengths (except they can be extended easier), and the same length of layovers.
We can never have less than a 10 hour layover--ever. I have had numerous layovers that were brutally reduced to 8 hours due to IROPS, and the 10 hour minimum is a game changer in a good way. "Legal to start, legal to finish" is history as well. Not every change has been improvement, but some have.
Old 01-14-2014 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Instead we have up to 9 hours block, same duty day lengths (except they can be extended easier), and the same length of layovers.
Before, we had unlimited amounts of actual block, so long as we were scheduled within 8 hours. Now, it's a hard limit of 9. Before, we had an actual max duty day of 16, now it's a scheduling limit of up to 14, extendable to 16 once between 30-hour rest periods and only with the Captain's concurrence. Before we had layovers as low as 8 hours, not they're not lower than 10.
Old 01-14-2014 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
So be it. I'd be much happier with 12-hr layovers than "productive" trips. Then again, I probably value my health more than most pilots.
Another amusing "there is my opinion, and then there is the wrong one" view. Just because you prefer 12-hour min layovers doesn't mean that anyone not sharing your opinion doesn't "value his health."

The new 10 hour hard minimum layover is reasonable. The rules under part 121 were not.
Old 01-14-2014 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Or Twice.

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8:37 Block Time
12:16 Duty Time
Sounds like the perfect opportunity to get a nice DTW airport layover
Old 01-14-2014 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Another amusing "there is my opinion, and then there is the wrong one" view. Just because you prefer 12-hour min layovers doesn't mean that anyone not sharing your opinion doesn't "value his health."

The new 10 hour hard minimum layover is reasonable. The rules under part 121 were not.
I agree. I think once the dust settles on all this, we'll realize how much better 117 is than what we had.

My record before 117 was 9:35 block time in one day... plus no more reduced rest. It's far from perfect but it certainly is better.

I of course did break a record and hit 33 hours in a 7 day period to cross over into the new year, but I didn't really notice it... all the days were pretty short and efficient.
Old 01-14-2014 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl? You want to explain how a so called union is suing Delta pilots and wanting to get them fired?
This is more of your ongoing problems with the English language Bar. Three things wrong in one sentence. First, DPA is not a union yet. Second, you or I don't know whether the sued John Doe is a Delta pilot. Third, nobody at DPA has ever said they wanted anyone fired.

These emotional menstrual outbursts of yours do not help your "ALPA at all costs" position.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
This is one of those, "where is the outrage" moments.
No, this is yet another one of those "Bucking Bar making it up" moments after an apparent White Russian overdose.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Guess anyone who is critical of the DPA can expect a subpoena for their hard drive, or a trip to New York.
No, just people who break Federal law by computer hacking and disrupting interstate commerce.

On another note, thank you for posting DPA stuff on this thread. I'm so glad to see that it's OK for me to do that again!

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Old 01-14-2014 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Hasn't that always been the rule? I don't think that calling in fatigued just showed up with 117.
No, but having to certify that you are absolutely fit to operate the flight, in writing, IS something new.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Folks, sailingfun is demonstrating exactly what I fear DALPA is going to do.
Sailing does NOT speak for the MEC in any way, shape or form.
It's a free intrawebz, however, so he can post whatever to his (or her) heart's content.

If you DO want to see what the MEC has to say, call or email your rep

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Old 01-14-2014 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
My record before 117 was 9:35 block time in one day... plus no more reduced rest. It's far from perfect but it certainly is better.
The over 8.5 block gets you 12 hours of rest rule in the NWA contract was jettisoned in the process of the JCBA. That was pretty awesome.

We'd be sitting darn pretty right now if we still had it in the PWA.


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Old 01-14-2014 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
This is more of your ongoing problems with the English language Bar. Three things wrong in one sentence. First, DPA is not a union yet. Second, you or I don't know whether the sued John Doe is a Delta pilot. Third, nobody at DPA has ever said they wanted anyone fired.
Carl
Mods, can we name names? The lawsuit makes this a matter of public record.

The DPA claims it is a union in it's press release, which is believed to follow the language of the complaint. The DPA says it was formed as such and why wouldn't it be?

The DPA has stated this was done by Delta pilot(s) who supports ALPA.

DPA "Members" have called for the firing of the alleged perps.

DPA "Members" have stated in writing they plan to use John Doe subpoenas to gather documentation, which I guess would be the hard drives and, or, depositions from those of us who the DPA does not like.

Delta pilots have every right to be outraged. We've been sued! It is coercion prior to your vote in April (if your spokesman is telling the truth).
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