Not to me. A 25% stock market gain and good investments made me a boatload of money. Life is pretty good and getting better every day.

"Get busy living, or get busy dying". - Red
"Get busy living, or just keep on crying." - tsquare

 

We don't need professionals involved in the negotiations.

What we need is professionals to proof what we are negotiating and offer changes and fixes to language prior to putting it all together in a TA.

To often, we get a TA that has glaring deficiencies in language that always seems to not benefit pilots.

 

We should make it up in the stock market? That's your answer for a crap contract?

 

How many years you do you have left?

 

Place was packed with kids. 4 year old will love it! 7 year old will beg for Legos on the way home. Plan a trip to the toy store too.

 

I went to a roadshow and my memory is different from yours. I think a lot of people were thrown off by the fact that we needed to hire for the 717 but that with the delivery schedule as published it was going to take awhile before bodies were needed. SD with his statement that we could start the hiring process as early as 4th qtr 2012 also raised false hopes. I've been around long enough to know that a statement like that means nothing. Starting the hiring process could have started 1st qtr 2013 when they hired Cal to be the head of pilot hiring, that's the first step in the hiring process right ?
I have no problem with the no voters on 2012, they looked at the TA and deemed it wasn't worthy. I have a little problem with yes voters who say they were duped, either they are simpletons or they didn't do there homework, both of which are scary traits in a pilot. Buyers remorse is ok, it's easy to look back and say we should have done better.

 

Going to say there seems to be a significant faction with buyers remorse.

 

And you believe we do not have that? You think it is a bunch of rank amateurs that go into each and every contract negotiation, completely unarmed and completely clueless? Your lack of any kind of faith in those that are representing you is amazing, but what is even more amazing is that you think paying someone who has absolutely nothing to do with this, and does not have to live with any of the results will give us a better product. I really do not understand that mindset. Hired guns don't are about you or me. They care about their paycheck. And when it's done, it's done. As a matter of fact, when you think about it, they have less incentive to deliver a timely superior contract because that way they can stretch it out and make mo money.

The contract is what it is. I have 12 years left if I stay until 65. I might.. might not, it depends on whether or not I am still having fun. A big part of that decision is going to be what health care looks like and the availability of decent coverage at a decent price. Pretty cheap here, so why leave to see that cost go thru the roof?

For PD. No, I don't think we should have to make it up in the stock market, but depending on your paycheck for your retirement... and only your paycheck is foolish and shortsighted. 88Driver, while we have our disagreements, is onto a system that works for him, and I would venture that he is banking his retirement in the process. All I ever hear from you is how lousy our contract is, how woefully underpaid we are you never offer any insight as to what you are doing to mitigate it. Nothing. I can only draw one conclusion.

 

Ditto..............

 

Can we PUULLLEEEAAASSSSEEEE quit beating the dead horse of C2012??? Was it perfect? No. Was it a step forward? Yes. Could we have done better? Yes. Does arguing over who's crank is bigger now do any of us any good? NO! We are now what, a year +/- from openers? All we are doing on here is publicly demonstrating our division, as if the DPA derailment wasn't enough. The more divided we are will have a direct correlation in the amount of $ we extract from the Company.

Want to do something useful with our time instead of fighting each other? We need to be informational picketing the White House over the Pre-Clearance facility and Norwegian Air. We are being boiled slowly and the camels nose is no longer under the tent....he's IN the tent. Cabbotage is coming our way faster than a fat lazy Congressman can be bought off. THIS is how they will solve the Pilot shortage. Wait for it. Within 5 years Norwegian, Ryan or another startup will order 6-700 737's to be flown in the US. Boeing will trip over itself to lobby for Cabbotage.

If we don't stop this NOW...it's too late.

Calling on ALPA, APA, SWAPA to issue a Nationwide SOD and shut it down. Lobbying has been tried and failed.

In the meantime we are still in a p!ss!ng contest over who was right about C2012.

WAKE THE F UP!!!