Some context:

The conversation in question actually occured between JG and one of the CVG LEC reps. CVG apparently does have a connection flight to DTW whose AC is apparently frequently used as a spare for other routes, and hence, cancels frequently. A dicussion ensued about how exactly a pilot would get access to that information. I was less than thrilled about the answer - basically if you've tried to use it multiple times and its frequently canceled, you shouldn't rely on it. Personally, I agree that we shouldn't be responsible for the inability of one of our regional partners to operate our published schedule - but I'm just relaying what was said.

Relying on OAL's as primary was also brought up as an example of a troublesome practice, due to lack of information on availability and jumpseat occupancy. (Again, just repeating what I heard, so don't shoot the messegner!) I'll agree that the new policy is good policy on paper, but its not worth much if a responsible commuter is afraid to use it. A little trust and mutual respect would have gone a long way in that memo.

On the bright side, they will do a multi-leg positive space if necessary.

RE: Oil
If you acutally listen to the anylsts and traders that know what the heck they're talking about, ACL is likely correct. To add to what he's already said; Currently, the U.S. still has a pretty significant surplus in oil supply. The NYMEX delviery point in Cushing Oklahoma, is currently filled to capacity - as is the Strategic petroleum reserve. Lybia produces roughly 2% of the worlds supply, very little of that makes it to our shores, and OPEC has quite a bit of spare capacity the can put into play. I think FTB hit the nail on the head that when gas gets to around $3.50, consumers will pull back again (it acutally happened at $3.30 in 2008,) and all of the sudden a temporary 2% drop in supply is starring at a 5% drop in demand.

On the other hand, if oil does go to $220, we could likely just buy those NYC slots and gates from LCC on the auction block....

Ask the Audience
 

I had recurrent this month in MSP and I need to get in touch with the DGS evaluator who gave me my checkride. His initials are BW and he was a 744 FO before he blew out his aorta and went out on LTD. Any suggestions for finding an email or phone number for a DGS guy or a PM of his info? I tried iCrew but didn't see him there.

Yeah, once in an entire career. Second time is a carpet dance and third time is/can be dicipline. In a career. That makes it pretty much useless (other than your once in a lifetime freebie). A policy like that, if it is enforced in such a horrible labor relations kind of way, will result in worse labor relations not better as well as causing increased sick calls and/or pilots commuting so conservatively as to be less rested than they otherwise would have been had they not been in perpetual fear of a hostile management who views commuting as some off the wall extreme and essentric luxury bordering on wanton recklessness. Commuting is part of the industry and your workers are the foundation of your operation and customer service.

Again, the policy is good but the preface is trash. That negative context has not only been officially backed up at least once already, the absolutely insane stipulation of "pilots are responsibile for avoiding chronic cancel prone flights that our company can't figure out how to operate reliably" was incompetent frosting on a hostile cupcake.

One "freebie" in a career, if that is really how this will be interpreted/enforced, makes this otherwise good policy pretty much worthless. After your one freebie you are exposing yourself even listing more than 20 minutes before a flight because if you obey the rules after your one career freebie you can be nailed for it. And for what, one penalty free positive space flight in an entire career? It would be better to get rid of that in exchange for removing the strongly implied threat of jeopardy and an admission that commuting is here, its real and its a fact of life in this industry. How can anyone not get that?

incoming pm

Thanks Super!

no problem :D

Seems like that game was going much better for us until I turned it on in the last 5 minutes. Beginning to think I AM the Vandy curse.....

Delta1067, I know upndsky and unclesam answered your question but as to where to look for stuff this is from When Scheduling Calls page 28-29.

FWIW, I check my schedule all morning the day prior to my first reserve day. Mainly because I might have put in a YS for a certain trip or requested SC. If nothing was given to me then I check sometime, and shortly after, 3pm. If nothing is there then I'm on long call starting at 12:01 that night and therefore can't show until at 12:00pm on day 1. However, if I was a jerk, and they gave me a 4-day with a 0614 sign in and I decide to not check my schedule at all then at 2am they'd call me. Which considering my drive would mean I need to get up, shower and go to work. If I commuted... oh yuck. Conspiracy theorist will take a screen shot at 3:00.00 to make sure they have proof they can't be assigned a trip prior to 12:00pm on day 1.

Now 80ktsclamp is on the 737. 80 always has something on his schedule. The 737 calls him at 2am anyways, breathes heavy, and starts asking questions. 80 will hang up, the 737 will call back, and it goes back and forth numerous times. Have you seen Scream? Kind of like that. Eventually 80 is running outside in his underwear trying to get away from the 737 because the 737 owns him.

http://image10.bizrate-images.com/re...uid=2077242638

For the neighbors, it sucks. It's 80 in his underwear running through their water sprinklers. Had it been Scary Movie and Carmen Electra, it'd be so much better. But it sucks for them.

"Conspiracy theorist will take a screen shot at 3:00.00 to make sure they have proof they can't be assigned a trip prior to 12:00pm on day 1."

Or Commuters.

Dude blew out his aorta?!? And he is alive?!? Wow, modern medical miracles never cease.

It is not how it will be enforced. They have been giving out PS for a long time and no one I know has ever even been asked about it. The only time they even looked into commuters in NY was a specific day when they had to cancel 5 international flights due to no shows. They checked everyone who no showed or was late that day to see if the complied with the current commuter policy. Not surprising most who were problems had not followed the policy yet there was no follow up. As long as you have complied with the policy and made a honest attempt to get to work you wont hear a thing. Now if they are forecasting a major snow storm and you are trying to get to NYC from Miami the same day you might here something. You might also hear something if you are coming from LA to NYC and using all nighters to try and do a same day commute.

Sailing;
I was actually one of the early defenders of JGs language as setting the ground rules. But after reading it over and combining the original language with the CVG base visit and end-of-week memo language, I do not agree with you characterization of how a "screw up" will be handled.

JG specifically says (paraphrased) #1 is a freebie, #2 is a talk with your CP, #3 you are labled as "bad". The language about planning on chronically underperforming flights was especially ridiculous.

That said, I am happy about doing away with the 2 hours between flights and some of the other arbitrary restrictions. I am a commuter and will not be changing anything I do. I've been given positive space to commute in the past...I dont control the weather and will not live on travelnet just to see if a commuter flight filled up after making my reservation.

I'm not getting my panties in a wad over this, generally the new policy is an improvement and Ill take it as that, but the repeated and re-iterated plantation foreman tone from JG to us field hands IS a little over the top.

On a completely different topic, I thought this was an effective advertisement:

http://www.naughtysuits.com/index.ph...products_id=21

yeah it was a crazy story, apparently he was doing a walk around with the loadmaster when it happened. Someone knew what was going on and being at an airport allowed him to be flown via life flight to a nearby hospital. Everything went right for him which saved his life. At least that's the story i was told.

BW is a great guy and i was shocked to hear about this when it happened as he was relatively young but i'm glad he's doing well now!

Delta Technologies got a new tool to handle it...no worries.
YouTube - Retro Commercial - Radio Shack Cell Phones - 1990

We needed that win a lot more than the "Dores did... ya'll will still do well in the tourney..

He did my recurrent last month.. pretty amazing story. Young guy too.. runner.. all that stuff.. ya just never know.

Is this the same guy who was a MEM DC-9 check airman? If so he was a great guy; really friendly and outgoing. I always enjoyed flying with him. I heard a rumor that he had heart trouble and was no longer flying but never heard the details.

Agree. Apparently they were doing a charter and the airplane just happened to be parked in front of the Lifeflight Hangar. They were going to ambulance him, but one of the the EMTs was UBER sharp and caught the symptoms (which are only very slightly different than a heart attack), and switched the plan to an air evac.

There's more to it, but definately a WOW story. Great guy, too.

Nu

Heyas,

Well, I got the trip drop notice for the OE trip, but they put the 23G5 (or whatever) on my line, which means I'm still on the hook for recovery.

Guess that means I still need to commute up for the regular report time, correct?

Nu

No, Under 23G which is a change from the original recovery you no longer have to go to the base. If they don't assign you a trip 12 hours prior to your original report you are off the hook. You can do whatever you want after that. WS, GS or stay home.

a. If the First Officer is removed from his entire rotation, he will be guaranteed pay and
credit for the scheduled credit of such rotation, and will be subject to recovery flying.
The Company will attempt to notify the pilot of his removal and any assigned
recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to the report time of his originally scheduled
rotation. If a notification attempt is not made at least 12 hours prior to the scheduled
report of his originally scheduled rotation, the pilot will have no recovery obligation.

Maybe not.... If you have not been notified of recovery flying "an actual trip" not just 23G5 you are not obligated. Don't answer your phone after the 12 hour mark and you have the week off! If they have attempted to notify you that a trip has been added to your line before the 12 hour mark and you have not acknowledged it they can drop the trip off your line but you will be subject to recovery flying for I believe 3 maybe 6 hours after your original report. No attempt to notify you of a trip 12 hours prior to report equals no obligation.

I could be wrong, but she seems to be wearing that suit inside out. The tag should be on the inside, and there's a "seam" running down the middle.

I think Flt Ops deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Here's the simple reason why -- they didn't have to change the policy at all.

I think they are planning on using the "reasonable man" standard.
If you are operating in good faith you will be fine. The 3 strikes thing will not be a factor.
But Flt Ops doesn't want to sit down and codify every exact little variation of what is "reasonable" and what will count as "abusive", etc. etc.

"Abusing the policy" is going to be like the Supreme Court definition of pornography - can't define it exactly, but you know it when you see it.

The Chief Pilots are used to dealing with the "problem child" pilots.
This is no different. If you are a straight shooter just trying to get to work then you don't have anything to worry about. If you go in there and pi$$ on their shoes and try to tell them its raining, then things are going to escalate.

Agree. The entire time NWA had this policy, I never heard of anyone being called on the carpet for abusing the policy, as long as they played by the rules, no matter how many times they had to use it. As a 25yr commuter I ALMOST had to use it once and thats with the last 5 yrs or so being all CRJ's.

Yes, that's him.

He says he should be heading back to the line soon. Amazing!

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$200 bucks for a bikini ?!

OK, but that thing better make my wife look like a Sports Illustrated cover girl.

Yours doesn't? Sucks to be you.:D

Well then satch-
You've got our attention.
Now you're gonna have to post a picture of your wife! :D:D

We need confirmation pictures.

I'll bet that Carl has some.:D

Speaking of Carl and polls, does Carl wear his hat? Inquiring minds want to know.;)

Umm, she's glaring at me right now. I don't think that's possible. Her professional standing in the community won't allow any posting of pictures that bring attention to her insanely hot body.

But if we don fly together, I've got some pics on my phone you might be interested in...:eek:

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Almost 2 hours w/o a post! Must be a record.

I guess everyone is ordering bikinis..................

No there were a few weeks in 2007 where no one posted on the thread.

Fashion snob!

Carl

No talk of the new reserve required formula? Waiting for the smart guys to tell me what it all means.

My only take on it so far is that it'll allow greater flexibility of moving/dropping trips for line holders, and movement of X days for those on reserve.

It said it passed back on Feb 10, so maybe the discussion has already come and gone.

recalled...............

That is about the extent of it. The thresholds are different allowing greater flexibility for line holders and reserves a like. AKA, what guys wanted.