Do not forget to keep an eye out for the JAL stuff too! That appears to be coming to a head.

All those different combinations made me go crosseyed.

Bog no think hard. Bog just caveman.

G. Category Freeze
1. A pilot who is awarded an AE or VD will incur a 24-month category freeze.
Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
a. the award is an AE or VD for the same status in an international category, and
b. he requires no qualification training, other than transoceanic ground school
Exception two: Subject to Section 22 G. 1. Exception one b., a pilot currently under a
category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to the same position at a different base.
Exception three: A B-767/B-757 or a B-767/B-757 (International) pilot who is awarded
an AE or VD in the same status for the B-767-400ER and undergoes B-757/767 to B-
767-400ER qualification training will incur a 9-month category freeze.
Exception four: A B-767-400ER pilot who is awarded an AE or VD in the same status
for the B-767/B-757 or the B-767/B-757 (International) and undergoes B-767-400ER to
B-757/767 qualification training will incur a 9-month category freeze.
2. A category freeze applies to a pilot who is awarded an AE or VD whether or not he is
bypassed under Section 22 E. 14. A pilot who has been bypassed will be deemed to hold the category to which he is being pay protected to determine his eligibility for another
AE or VD.
3. A pilot who, during his category freeze, is awarded a subsequent AE to the same position
at another base may be held in the category of his freeze until a replacement is trained
and converted. When such replacement is trained and converted, the pilot will be
converted in accordance with the subsequent AE.
4. A pilot who is under a category freeze and who has not previously completed training for
a mainline Captain position shall nevertheless be eligible to be awarded a Captain
position. In such event, the balance of such pilot’s existing category freeze shall be
added to the category freeze resulting from the Captain position award.

Lga
 

USAir already closed their LGA base effective next month and BOS is closing in April, I guess this deal is happening!

I guess Pedro will win then. I truly think that only Mike is running for Chair.

I would assume so. They were hoping to have it approved by March to add a bunch of cities to the schedule, but were thinking it may be a little later. I like a few of the cities we are going to go to. It would have been nice for them to announce them prior to this bid so guys that commute would have had better information, but I understand why they have not.

Ya know the really sad thing? Other than the postmortem for the deceased bunny and the obvious head trauma the poor little tyke had to endure from his "owner"....the bunny had a website. He was, however, Tokyo-based. All bunnies moved up one number in seniority.

What if Ferd ate him and doesn't even know it? :mad:

My guess is there will be some senior 330 & 744 F/O's that were 9 & 320 CA's before the NWA Bankruptcy that will bid out of the 330/744 and go back to a left seat on the MD88/90, 320 & 73N, in that case, they will get a 24 mos. freeze, however, if DAL decides to open ATL 330 now, some of those guys might re-consider and bid ATL 330.

The freeze makes you think twice about everything. If there is no ATL A330 on this bid then is it better to wait or jump back into an A seat now?

That's what freezes are for! Definitely makes you want what you bid.

Knowing I'm going to be MD'd no matter what on this bid, I've got it all listed, haha.

It is kind of nice getting to try something out for free, I suppose.

If you go thru qualification training you incur a 24 month freeze from date of the award. If a category is new or re-established then you can bid into that particular category regardless of whether you are frozen or not. See item c.

35. “Category freeze” means a period of time
a. that is determined under Section 22 G.,
b. that commences on the date of a pilot’s award of an AE or VD for which qualification training is required, and
c. during which the pilot will (unless declared eligible by the Company) be ineligible to be awarded another AE with an earliest conversion date falling within the freeze period (other than to a new or reestablished category) for which qualification training is required.

Denny

The LCA briefings have not been that accurate in the past. The one I saw in June basically said we would be 2,000 fat and have 1,200 on furlough after SOC.

Instead it appears we will have jobs. They might not be where we want, but it helps shift the cost of hotel rooms to the junior pilots at the expense of operational integrity when the junior pilots can't get to work.

I too knew that I'd be displaced on the last bid. Instead some got the ATL-ER and I moved up. Go figure :o

It is hard to believe that they'll decimate ATL without some significant narrow body backfill. We know the narrow body staffing will increase 10% or more, we just don't know where. There are huge parts of the puzzle missing still. You might get lucky. I hope you do and that some of that luck extends downward.

Brer Rabbit

Bar we all want to get lucky.


On this bid.

Depends on where you will sit seniority wise on that particular equipment, also, commute, no-commute? I am personally hoping to sit on the sidelines on this one and hold on to my seat, then re-evaluate.

Good point, Bar! Being only 5 from the bottom- I think no matter what happens I'm gonna get tagged. Kinda looking for a change anyways. :)

Nice one, Buzz. I'll be your huckleberry. :D

I see all of you a Pancake Bunny and raise you, this:

I was actually more pointing out a flaw in your wishful thinking or maybe I misunderstood you.

These guys can bid other categories now. Be seat locked yes...unless a new category comes out again.

So if ATL A330 comes out on the next bid after this one, and they want to bid it they will not be seat locked.

This is how I understand it.

Bid what you want now...it will not prevent you from bidding for a category that is not yet being offered.

I know, this like that old saying about the FAA, ask 10 FAA inspectors the same question and you'll get 25 answers. Multiply that by 3 if it deals with an MD-80 AD.

I was talking to a CA I was flying with here on the 88 about what if the 320 showed up, would you bid it? I'd like to think I would but like he said, the first time it shows up you really don't know what you're getting into. Will the trips suck, will you not be as senior as you thought, what are the guys like that fly it and so on.

But you also feel as if you don't bid it then there might not be any vacancies for a while so if you want it you need to bid for it. Hence the wringing of the hands.

Obviously before this AE you knew if you bid XYZ at ABC you'd sit around X%. But with this AE who knows. Thats why bidding % in category on an AE or MD is so important and especially so for commuters or people who have seniority and can get what you want but aren't sure if what they want is something they really want.

It's easy sometimes being on the bottom because the decision is made for you and you never have to look at someone junior and go, man I wish I had done that instead.

When I was hired they put up the drop for the class on the screen and we already knew or heard that NYC ER, NYC 88 we're there and maybe some SLC and CVG stuff. But what they put up there, after showing us DC9, 320, 330 and 744 as a joke was 31 slots for NYC 88 B. And I was like, whew! the decision is made for me and now I don't have to worry about messing it up. Then the real drop came out and Beer talked me into to the ER literally while waiting to bid and I'm glad I did it and I always felt like I'd lose it one day anyways so enjoy it and I did. I never wasted time at a hotel bar, I always tried to hit the road. I think Paris I walked for 10 hours one day.

Well, super's banned... I got an infraction. So much for sarcasm and good fun...

Apparently it has to be good ole fashion wholesome fun. I guess that's for the kiddies that browse the forum. :rolleyes:

http://www.cehd.umn.edu/History/Time...es/1950sTV.jpg

There's some old fashon wholesome fun!

You kids turn down that victrola so I can hear the picture tube...

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Same here man, same here. There is something about a bunny with random food on its bunny head that has me rolling. It's so random yet so funny! How did it even start!?!?:D

You knew they were going to ding someone for all of those Texas-esque pictures.

Just on a side note.

There are more than likely not going to be 320, or 9 slots on "this" bid in ATL. They will be flying though though.
Point is the 320 will come to ATL on one of the subsequent bids. From all of the 88 drivers I have talked to, about 50% said they would bid it.

Seems they are still "looking at" hiring in the not-so-distant future. Dusting of the cog if you will.

Next six months will be fun.

I LIKE!!!! :D :D

We will see (if)when the hit execute.....

Bombardier pushes ahead with CSeries
By Max Kingsley-Jones

Bombardier finally cemented its decision to go ahead with its 110/130-seat CSeries twinjet in March when launch customer Lufthansa firmed up its Farnborough 2008 deal for up to 60 aircraft. The airline has subsequently been joined by lessor LCI, which placed orders and options for 40 aircraft, taking total commitments for the Pratt & Whitney PW1000G GTF-powered airliner to 100.

Bombardier is pushing the CSeries as a small mainline jet, with the lower end of the Airbus A320 and Boeing 737 families firmly in its sights. The new jet, which is due to enter service in the second half of 2013, also threatens the top end of Embraer's successful E-Jet series - so it is no surprise that the Brazilian airframer confirmed this year that it is evaluating how and whether to respond to the threat.





Although the A318/A319 and 737-600/700 could find themselves fighting the CSeries, the one airline customer announced to date - Lufthansa - intends to use the aircraft to replace the 97-seat BAE Systems Avro RJ100s operated by its Swiss International Air Lines arm.

How the sales map will eventually look remains to be seen, but with Bombardier claiming "over 150 customers showing strong interest" it is likely that the new twinjet will be adopted by some network carriers for their thinner short-haul routes, or perhaps for some of their longer sectors. Bombardier sees a long-term market for 6,300 aircraft in the CSeries category over the next 20 years.

With the full launch under its belt, Bombardier is undertaking the detail design phase and aims to begin the product definition release phase around a year from now. The target is for the certification process to begin during the fourth quarter of 2011. Flight test and type certification is expected to last 18 months.

The airliner's wing and empennage is predominantly carbonfibre, although advanced alloys are used for the wingbox ribs and slats with titanium employed for pylon and gear attachments. The fuselage, which has a five abreast cross-section, is of aluminium lithium construction with carbonfibre elements such as the aft section and pressure bulkhead.


© Bombardier


Rockwell Collins is supplying its Pro Line Fusion system for the CSeries five-screen, sidestick equipped flightdeck.

Powered by two 21,000lb (93.5kN) or 23,300lb-thrust PW1500G GTFs, Bombardier says the family will offer a 20% fuel burn advantage and 15% better cash operating costs than its in-production rivals, with direct maintenance costs expected to be 28% better.

Final assembly will be undertaken at an all-new plant at Bombardier's Mirabel site near Montreal. Sections will be supplied from sister divisions and outside partners in North America, Europe and China.

I know it may be a little bit, but the fact that they are even considering it makes me feel better. :o

That's not good. How long is the ban?

Must have been the under-boob.
Cleavage is wholesome but under-boob will get you every time.

How contradictory is our society? Top of the boob is titillating, bottom of the boob is prurient.

Show boobs in a movie it's R, chop them off and it's PG-13.

Check, Check your PM's I got a warning too for the Lizards.

He is back on the 12th.....

NOOOO!

I thought the return of the 757 avatar meant something good!

Hey, what is fly throughs on the 320 or 9? Does it mean an ATL base but you spend most of your time flying out of DALN bases?

What it means is that the 320 will be doing flights out of ATL but it will not have a pilot base there.

No, got a 2 point infraction for that picture. Interesting, but who cares.

Sure that 80 got one too.

I can understand why they warned you about that.
That bottom lizard was obviously under age.

Under something.

How would you know?....