Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-14-2014, 05:18 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by Timbo
As I see it, you've got two choices:
1. Learn how to bid
2. Get a butt plug so you can stop back dooring you B's!
1. Learn how to bid
2. Get a butt plug so you can stop back dooring you B's!
05-14-2014, 05:20 PM
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am curious how you would say throwing a great big monkey wrench is legal under the RLA. We were found in violation when pilots just refused to fly overtime. The court even acknowledged the union had nothing to do with the lack of overtime flying but ruled the union had a duty to control it's members. Lots of other rulings in the last 15 years. Can you cite one that would allow what your saying?
As to how I would legally put pressure on the company to negotiate-
Here's how:
The reserve section of our contract is in a state of flux right now. Since FAR 117 its pretty much null and void. The language no longer conforms with the law and regulations. Management responded to that situation by quickly issuing a memo that essentially dictated what our contract would be while the reserve rules were re-negotiated. In other industries and at other companies trying to unilaterally impose new work rules like that would be an act of war.
In fact, you want to talk about RLA violations? What Dickson did is arguably illegal under the Railway Labor Act.
§ 152 Part 7: No carrier, its officers, or agents shall change the rates of pay, rules, or working conditions of its employees, as a class, as embodied in agreements, except in the manner prescribed in such agreements or in section 156 of this title.
DALPA's response? We rolled right over and allowed them to do it. Our union's response was weak, pathetic and embarrassing.
If we were a real union we would have issued our own "memo" that would be every bit as legitimate as theirs under the Railway Labor Act.
I won't go into particulars of what I think our memo ought to say because I still think there's a chance that Donatelli might be the guy who will finally get this union up off its knees and put up a fight.
But there's your leverage. The pilots have the same rights as management in this situation. We just need to find the courage to assert those rights.
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05-14-2014, 05:30 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
As far as the 117 talks... I spoke to the ALPA communications guy tonight at the PUB event. He said there was a big announcement next week, then intimated that some people won't be happy. When pressed, he wouldn't say if the unhappy people would be the reserve holders of the world, or the I am never happy crowd. It did seem like the former rather than the latter.
Keep your expectations low, and you'll never (well almost ever) be disappointed.
Keep your expectations low, and you'll never (well almost ever) be disappointed.
Just a silly one-liner. I don't actually have any inside knowledge.
05-14-2014, 05:34 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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[QUOTE=pilotc90a
Keep your expectations low, and you'll never (well almost ever) be disappointed.[/QUOTE]
c16 bag tag slogan?
Keep your expectations low, and you'll never (well almost ever) be disappointed.[/QUOTE]
c16 bag tag slogan?
05-14-2014, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Okay guys... I'm trying to figure out where I went stupid on bidding in June.
I asked for:
1. Prefer off June xx, xx, xx, xx
2. Prefer off Sundays, Tuesdays, Saturdays
3. Prefer daily credit > 5:14
4. Award Pairing if length 1 day
5. Award Pairing if length 2 days
6. Award pairing if length 3 days
7. Avoid pairing if pairing length > 4 days.
I didn't get unstacked and it gave me 3 5-days trips while awarding day trips to those junior to me. What gives? It even says "honored" in the reasons report to avoid pairings longer than 4 days, but it obviously didn't honor it.
I asked for:
1. Prefer off June xx, xx, xx, xx
2. Prefer off Sundays, Tuesdays, Saturdays
3. Prefer daily credit > 5:14
4. Award Pairing if length 1 day
5. Award Pairing if length 2 days
6. Award pairing if length 3 days
7. Avoid pairing if pairing length > 4 days.
I didn't get unstacked and it gave me 3 5-days trips while awarding day trips to those junior to me. What gives? It even says "honored" in the reasons report to avoid pairings longer than 4 days, but it obviously didn't honor it.
05-14-2014, 05:36 PM
Works Every Weekend
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
As far as the 117 talks... I spoke to the ALPA communications guy tonight at the PUB event. He said there was a big announcement next week, then intimated that some people won't be happy. When pressed, he wouldn't say if the unhappy people would be the reserve holders of the world, or the I am never happy crowd. It did seem like the former rather than the latter.
05-14-2014, 05:37 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by hammer189
Is line 3 an award or avoid? If it's an award, that's your problem. Call bid assist next month.
05-14-2014, 05:39 PM
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Posts: 180
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Ah. So how would i get it to give me trips that are 1-3 days and greater than 5:14 credit?
Did you see the irony of the "honored" on the avoid trips greater than 4 days?
Did you see the irony of the "honored" on the avoid trips greater than 4 days?
05-14-2014, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hammer189
Avoid pairings if aveage daily credit <5:15
The B's need a butt plug now, they are down 3-1 with only 2:22 left.
05-14-2014, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Award. I've learned the error in my ways.
You are not the first and won't be the last. One month when I wanted Saturdays off I bid "Prefer" duty on Saturday instead of "Avoid." Unfortunately my bid was 'honored" every weekend.
The good point of this story is that the rest of my qualifiers were able to at least have me fly descent trips over the weekend.Got to go make sure my house is not on fire, for those who don't live in SOCAL, San Diego county is pretty much on fire.
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