Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-14-2014, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Here's some more math -- 85% < 100%
That paragraph you quote is absolutely meaningless. Its a comparison of percentages of hours to percentages of slots. And comparing 16 year old slot numbers to current hours numbers. That's not even apples to oranges. Its apples to paper clips.
Sailing has been telling us how inconsequential that codeshare was (only $250,000, like you and me losing a dime).
If that's true then why was management willing to give us this great new production balance "protection"? Why didn't they just pay us the dime?
I'll tell you why. Because it was actually going to cost them a helluva lot more than that when they lost the grievance.
The way it turned out after they sat down with our crack negotiators they got us to delete that entire section of our contract in exchange for zero dollars and the promise that they wouldn't cut more than 15% off our Pacific block hours. Which they knew they were never going to do anyway because of their plans for a big expansion in Seattle. Its just like the huge "victory" DALPA achieved to get them to park 50 seat RJs that management knew they were going to park anyway.
Its unbelievable the way they play our negotiators and the ALPA E&FA people. We keep giving up chunks of our contract to the company in exchange for them promising that the sun will rise in the east. And then we call that a huge achievement.
That paragraph you quote is absolutely meaningless. Its a comparison of percentages of hours to percentages of slots. And comparing 16 year old slot numbers to current hours numbers. That's not even apples to oranges. Its apples to paper clips.
Sailing has been telling us how inconsequential that codeshare was (only $250,000, like you and me losing a dime).
If that's true then why was management willing to give us this great new production balance "protection"? Why didn't they just pay us the dime?
I'll tell you why. Because it was actually going to cost them a helluva lot more than that when they lost the grievance.
The way it turned out after they sat down with our crack negotiators they got us to delete that entire section of our contract in exchange for zero dollars and the promise that they wouldn't cut more than 15% off our Pacific block hours. Which they knew they were never going to do anyway because of their plans for a big expansion in Seattle. Its just like the huge "victory" DALPA achieved to get them to park 50 seat RJs that management knew they were going to park anyway.
Its unbelievable the way they play our negotiators and the ALPA E&FA people. We keep giving up chunks of our contract to the company in exchange for them promising that the sun will rise in the east. And then we call that a huge achievement.
I wonder why the SEA reps voted in favor of this...
05-14-2014, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
On top of that, who predicted furloughs other than maybe PD
05-14-2014, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
To be fair, I have NEVER predicted furloughs.
Regardless.. sailing was wrong as usual.
05-14-2014, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Here's some more math -- 85% < 100%
That paragraph you quote is absolutely meaningless. Its a comparison of percentages of hours to percentages of slots. And comparing 16 year old slot numbers to current hours numbers. That's not even apples to oranges. Its apples to paper clips.
That paragraph you quote is absolutely meaningless. Its a comparison of percentages of hours to percentages of slots. And comparing 16 year old slot numbers to current hours numbers. That's not even apples to oranges. Its apples to paper clips.
Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours.
LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours. 85% > 54%
05-14-2014, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102
...and what is Narita worth if no one wants to go there?
I wonder why the SEA reps voted in favor of this...
I wonder why the SEA reps voted in favor of this...
05-14-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
The old, outdated scope was 16 years old and didn't actually protect block hours (we are hourly employees after all), but I wouldn't consider the old scope a paper clip.
Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours.
LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours. 85% > 54%
Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours.
LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours. 85% > 54%
I think we sold our Narita scope too cheap. We've been doing that for a long time now. Its my opinion that we've been leaving money on the table with all the recent LOAs and MOUs. I don't think constructive engagement is working anymore. DALPA needs to get more aggressive. Management is outmaneuvering us and playing on our residual fear from the near death experience we had in bankruptcy.
I'm afraid its about to happen again with this 117 negotiation. We have a lot more leverage here than the union wants to acknowledge.
If our union had the will to do so, we could throw a great big handful of sand into the well-oiled Delta machine this summer. Perfectly legally and well within the bounds of the Railway Labor Act. But they won't do it. They'd rather maintain peace and good will toward men and have Richard come to their meetings in "closed session" and whisper some juicy info to them and stroke their egos.
We deserve more money. We deserve a union that will go and get it for us.
Don't misunderstand. I don't want the DPA. I want to keep ALPA. I just want to slap them upside the head and get some fire back into the organization. This "cooperation not confrontation" thing has run its course. Management is eating our lunch.
05-14-2014, 02:31 PM
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Okay guys... I'm trying to figure out where I went stupid on bidding in June.
I asked for:
1. Prefer off June xx, xx, xx, xx
2. Prefer off Sundays, Tuesdays, Saturdays
3. Prefer daily credit > 5:14
4. Award Pairing if length 1 day
5. Award Pairing if length 2 days
6. Award pairing if length 3 days
7. Avoid pairing if pairing length > 4 days.
I didn't get unstacked and it gave me 3 5-days trips while awarding day trips to those junior to me. What gives? It even says "honored" in the reasons report to avoid pairings longer than 4 days, but it obviously didn't honor it.
I asked for:
1. Prefer off June xx, xx, xx, xx
2. Prefer off Sundays, Tuesdays, Saturdays
3. Prefer daily credit > 5:14
4. Award Pairing if length 1 day
5. Award Pairing if length 2 days
6. Award pairing if length 3 days
7. Avoid pairing if pairing length > 4 days.
I didn't get unstacked and it gave me 3 5-days trips while awarding day trips to those junior to me. What gives? It even says "honored" in the reasons report to avoid pairings longer than 4 days, but it obviously didn't honor it.
05-14-2014, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
For those Bs who like to backdoor it - and I KNOW some of you do 
- at least some categories are ready and willing.
- at least some categories are ready and willing.
05-14-2014, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudder
Am just bummed we can only backdoor once a month.
05-14-2014, 02:43 PM
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Sailing,
Buy the Corvette!! Bring it to the Autocross this weekend at the Atlanta Motor Speedway.
All you rich pilots need to bring your jalopy to the speedway this weekend!!
Buy the Corvette!! Bring it to the Autocross this weekend at the Atlanta Motor Speedway.
All you rich pilots need to bring your jalopy to the speedway this weekend!!
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