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Old 05-14-2014 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
One other thing to add. Absent revolutions in Egypt, Kiev and Syria the company would have been in compliance. Those flights had nothing to do with the JV. As I have said I expect the pilot group to be compensated for the loss of jobs.
As for EASK being smoke and mirrors it's the only thing that matters as far as the contract and we have very good people watching the numbers.
While it might be the metric by which this thing is measured, what bothers me is that there is a lookback compliance measurement, and like somebody said, it is at the end of our contract. I think that was an excellent observation, and when I think about it, it was stupid on our part to structure it that way. the company got a free pass, and a defacto free loan. We'll be compensated, but you yourself said it will not be much. I don't care for that kind of contractual loophole. So EASKs are the metric. How does that translate to jobs, which is the ultimate importance? I STILL see a ton of AF metal everywhere I go....
Old 05-14-2014 | 10:51 AM
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Not to mention AF took advantage of another massive loophole in the agreement. While we captured below floor cargo in the ESK metrics, they figured out they could add an all cargo 747 that wouldn't count one ounce towards the limits. Then again, there's no money in cargos.

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Old 05-14-2014 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
We surrendered our Narita language in exchange for a bucket of warm spit. We got a promise from management that they would only cut the Pacific flying to 85% of current levels. Gee thanks. They can whack another 15%. Why would we agree to that? We got another useless production balance in return that starts from a lower base line. We ratified more job losses.
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NNP 13-03

"Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours. While the 316 slots protected 80 percent of the NRT slots in 1998 (but only 54 percent of the currently projected Pacific block hours), LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours."


Public math alert, but 85% > 54%.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Keep your backpacks on..

What's the background on the "backpack" references? PM if you don't want to post in the open.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
My money's on the deck.
Sadly I think you're right. She seems to have np appreciation of what a 11.8 second quarter mile with a 120mph trap speed means. Incredibly she even rolled her eyes at the 7 speed manual transmission. I then mentioned the HUD as the clincher and she told me to bid the 737!
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:05 AM
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Am just bummed we can only backdoor once a month.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
I agree. But you must admit it is highly likely it will be violated. So, for a current violation what say you on the PDs being handed out to reserves while following the contract exactly as written?
I would not say it's highly likely it will be violated. Now if the Far East experiences a huge financial meltdown and two or three wars/revolutions I will agree with you.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
NNP 13-03

"Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours. While the 316 slots protected 80 percent of the NRT slots in 1998 (but only 54 percent of the currently projected Pacific block hours), LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all Pacific block hours."


Public math alert, but 85% > 54%.
Not to mention that the total cost to the company to have eliminated all NRT protections was 250,000 dollars. That's like you or I losing a dime!
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Maybe, let me go back and look. We are using the same data. Then I have get off of here and go back to arguing with my wife over what we need more. A new deck or a new Corvette! So far that discussion is not going well either.
Every man needs a nice deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz82fjXqFQ4
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
I think the Clamp show had an in depth discussion on this very topic awhile back. FTB and Timbo were the special guests.
And it still hurts to sit down...
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