Did they say anything about how they would be paid? One duty period, or two minimum days? (for example)

 

Cool, you're one of the few guys I'll trust meeting notes from

 

I admit I live in the sticks but what is a CDO?

Also, nominate Sailing for the first official spin on this one as he said that pilots were pushing for this one, who on here has done that?

 

Continuous Duty Overnight

 

thx index!

 

Riigghhttt. And ALV + 15 was just for international categories.

Spin spin spin

 

I was serious in my question to 88Driver. He was accusing me and my fellow pilots of failing to act responsibly and/or comply with the FARs regarding fitness for duty unless we are somehow prevented from doing so by the FAR.

The point of the question was to ask him just how far he thought that should go. As out there as it sounds, there have been those in the past who have advocated exactly such a scenario regarding the policing of every pilot's actions prior to report. My view is that we are all big boys who do not need the the gubmint to lead us by the wrist to do the right thing.

His mileage has clearly varied.

No pilot should ever be pressured into performing duty for which he is not fit, whether that last of fitness is due to illness, fatigue, or something else. We should all be encouraging each other to do the right things and stop the operation whenever it gets to the point of being unsafe for whatever reason. Anything less is a disservice to ourselves, our passengers, and our profession.

So now I'm not allowed to enter into a discussion about my own job? Yes, I'm eager to learn what's in the TA. Yes, I'm interested in engaging in debate over the merits of what we do know. And I believe I've too have made it clear that the devil will be in the details.

Really? I think I started off the whole CDO discussion about having hated them at my former job, and having been informed by some fNWA pilot friends that they were popular there and how they compare favorably to flying all-nighters. Other than that, it's been about engaging folks like 88Driver who seem to feel that the gubmint is here to protect us from ourselves and each other.

Which of my posts seem to be in an "overly positive light" to you?

 

Did you discuss the issue of pay on the CDO's. If it is not pay and full credit then it would be a no on my part. That would be a precedent we should not set. I have a call into my rep on the issue but no reply yet.

 

The posting of Jennifer Aniston pictures has got to stop. Tomorrow.

 

Then why is it in there? "We don't think they would do that" Barf.

Last flight out ATL-LAX, 2 pilots, 2 hotels once they get there. etc. Red Eye back, 2 pilots, 2 hotels from previous night.

Instead, augmented crew doing the same, 3 pilots, no hotels. Am I missing something?

13 hour flight time limit, 13 hour duty day.

It's there for a reason. But I think you already know that.