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05-18-2014 | 11:53 AM
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Not having been in the room while this was being negotiated, I do not what leverage we might have had to exert on the Company to obtain these gains. Sorry, but I'm clueless on this one.
05-18-2014 | 11:55 AM
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It's going to take a while to properly digest this, once we have the facts (and we MUST get the facts before a vote takes place), but in any analysis we need to look at the most horrid "frankenstein" trip. Also: don't look at augmented and CDO as separate issue. And don't think about rotations in the traditional way.
Imagine a NYC rotation where leg 1 is augmenting 2 LA guys going home on a turn, short layover, CDO, end up on the East Coast, then fly with 1 pilot West, and finish a "turn" home augmented with a LA guy on the first leg of his rotation.
Did I just accidentally think of a way to negate Alan and Sailing's math, or am I way off? Do you have to be augmented on the entire time if going > 9 hours, or just the time above 9 hours?
Imagine a NYC rotation where leg 1 is augmenting 2 LA guys going home on a turn, short layover, CDO, end up on the East Coast, then fly with 1 pilot West, and finish a "turn" home augmented with a LA guy on the first leg of his rotation.
Did I just accidentally think of a way to negate Alan and Sailing's math, or am I way off? Do you have to be augmented on the entire time if going > 9 hours, or just the time above 9 hours?
The COD is a distinct trip. They can not be inserted mid rotation. (question already asked & answered)
We need to verify what happens during a delay on a COD overnight. Summer storms, short legs resulting in flow delays in and out of hubs and other common sources of IROP effecting these type of operations have to be considered.
Also, these are the last flights in, first flights out, which typically have the highest percentages of weather related issues and diverts.
Fortunately we do have a number of Reps who have experience with these at other airlines. Their experiences help craft a better product.
05-18-2014 | 11:56 AM
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Do I understand your post, Bar, as saying it cannot be? Where do you get that from?
05-18-2014 | 12:02 PM
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It's going to take a while to properly digest this, once we have the facts (and we MUST get the facts before a vote takes place), but in any analysis we need to look at the most horrid "frankenstein" trip. Also: don't look at augmented and CDO as separate issue. Don't assume CDO's go back to where they started. Don't assume they represent the start and end of a rotation. And don't think about rotations in the traditional way.
Imagine a NYC rotation where leg 1 is augmenting 2 LA guys going home on a turn, short layover, CDO, end up on the East Coast, then fly with 1 pilot West, and finish a "turn" home augmented with a LA guy on the first leg of his rotation (last leg of yours).
Did I just accidentally think of a way to negate Alan and Sailing's math, or am I way off? Do you have to be augmented on the entire time if going > 9 hours, or just the time above 9 hours?
Imagine a NYC rotation where leg 1 is augmenting 2 LA guys going home on a turn, short layover, CDO, end up on the East Coast, then fly with 1 pilot West, and finish a "turn" home augmented with a LA guy on the first leg of his rotation (last leg of yours).
Did I just accidentally think of a way to negate Alan and Sailing's math, or am I way off? Do you have to be augmented on the entire time if going > 9 hours, or just the time above 9 hours?
I understand the MEC meeting will be open? Has anyone heard for sure?
Put me down as a +1 for MEMRAT on this............
Waiting sorta patiently,
Ferd
05-18-2014 | 12:05 PM
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We'll need to see more details to find out whether a CDO can be mixed in with other flying in a rotation. At my former job, they were always stand-alone rotations.
05-18-2014 | 12:07 PM
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We're on the same page, Ferd.
Another question for you APC'ers: never mind whether you like CDO's or not (I don't)... Is there anyone who doesn't think they alone are sufficiently important a change in working conditions, so as not to automatically warrant MEMRAT?
I think it's a given that we must be allowed to decide.
Another question for you APC'ers: never mind whether you like CDO's or not (I don't)... Is there anyone who doesn't think they alone are sufficiently important a change in working conditions, so as not to automatically warrant MEMRAT?
I think it's a given that we must be allowed to decide.
05-18-2014 | 12:07 PM
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05-18-2014 | 12:08 PM
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They are stand alone here now at 9E, the highest rate of sick calls here was CDOs added onto a regular trip.
05-18-2014 | 12:08 PM
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05-18-2014 | 12:10 PM
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