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Old 06-23-2014 | 05:17 AM
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Why do we have to talk to a scheduler to call in sick and well? Why can't that be automated?
Old 06-23-2014 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Splash
I don't believe our earnings should be tied to company profitability. They shouldn't be - but they are.

We don't have to like it, but we ought to understand it.
I think everybody on here understands that on a base level, but there is a cadre that refuses to accept it. The interesting thing about that is that the same concept is paraded out as being relevant in one's personal finances, but when it comes to a corporation or entity, it doesn't matter... apparently.
Old 06-23-2014 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Time will tell who is right but if jet fuel spikes above 4 a gallon we will be in a difficult position relative to airlines that modernized their fleets.
And if it does, we won't have to worry about massive paycuts throughout the group either, because, well... bigger pays more.
Old 06-23-2014 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead


Personally, I tend to be more concerned with the student loan bubble.
What bubble? King Putt is gonna forgive all those.
Old 06-23-2014 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Well, we haven't had 727s for quite some time so you might want to get some updated data points. Find a friend at SWA or FDX and compare W2/TAFB in like categories.

Unless you are going to tell me they are not in our peer group.

Also, since you are speaking in present tense, you can skip the part about how good it was for DAL in the past or how bad it is going to be for the others in the future. I'm not saying our contract is bad now, but it isn't the best out there when looking at it as a whole.
OK... so I'll ax you the same question that I asked PD. Whose would you rather have?
SWA? IF we had their contract, we would not be doing any international flying.
Old 06-23-2014 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
It seems that DALPA's motto is "Fly now, grieve never."

A "system board of adjustment" takes forever when no grievance is filed.
The pilots were made whole. Does the method matter? In fact the method used this time created a remedy that was much quicker than a system board. I prefer results over process each and every time.
Old 06-23-2014 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What bubble? King Putt is gonna forgive all those.
Serious question... Why is it okay for a company to break a commitment via bankruptcy, but not an individual?

I mean, corporations are people too, so why are they not held to the same standard?
Old 06-23-2014 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And if it does, we won't have to worry about massive paycuts throughout the group either, because, well... bigger pays more.
^This. Wow! What a different industry it would be if that had not been the case.
Old 06-23-2014 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Steamrolled right into the best contract in the industry.
Even the "best contract in the industry" (to quote you) is worthless when it can be modified by the company at will and without repercussion.

The precedent has been set. SD can change the contract whenever it suits him, and DALPA has shown it's willing to use its negotiating capital to uphold the contract.

Think about it: DALPA negotiated when the company ignored the contract, expended negotiating capital to enforce the contract! That's madness.

Oh, SD's memo also validated this future tactic: Taking hostages is an effective strategy.

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Old 06-23-2014 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Serious question... Why is it okay for a company to break a commitment via bankruptcy, but not an individual?

I mean, corporations are people too, so why are they not held to the same standard?
That is a fair question, but I think it boils down to the gubbamint "getting theirs". I think everybody that is paying attention now realizes that government backed student loans are what's driving the out of control costs of university education. The curves have finally crossed where those loans are no longer serviceable for degrees like women's studies and 19th century French Poetry. So like everything else now in a socialist government, it has essentially become an entitlement.... actually, for those WITH loans, it is slavery. Exactly what the current administration wants. I digress. So individuals are held to those agreements because the government gets theirs, but in the case of corporations, they can break agreements with third parties if necessary for "survival". It ain't fair, I agree, but that is what it is.... unfortunately. Actually, I don;t think student loans should be bankruptable. If Susie schoolteacher goes to Harvard to get her certificate, and only makes $20K/year, well she made a bad choice, and it ain't MY responsibility to pay for her mistake.
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