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Old 07-09-2014 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Dude.

You did not just in any way compare real football to soccer.

Go to your room and think about what you just did.
both great sports and both are football.

BTW, the largest sporting event in the world is Sunday. Can you guess what that is?
Old 07-09-2014 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven
both great sports and both are football.

BTW, the largest sporting event in the world is Sunday. Can you guess what that is?
I don't care, as long as it involves this:
Old 07-09-2014 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
This is great news!!! How did I miss this?! I figure my average deficit on pay for the past 10 years due to the pay cuts is close to $100K/year. That's $1 million dollars total. Who do I need to call to get my $1 million back? Or is it hiding in my bank account somewhere and I just missed it?
So happy management is here to let us know we have been restored!

Top spin machine post ever. And that is saying something.
Old 07-09-2014 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
This is great news!!! How did I miss this?! I figure my average deficit on pay for the past 10 years due to the pay cuts is close to $100K/year. That's $1 million dollars total. Who do I need to call to get my $1 million back? Or is it hiding in my bank account somewhere and I just missed it?
I raised an eyebrow at that too! ...................Ahhhh, it took me a minute but I figure he is talking strictly the concessions in bankruptcy, not the letter 46 concessions pre-bankruptcy. Still feel I got screwed in that deal...

The other thing I have is a different view on why US Air was "parked." IMO it was more because of the SLI than anything else. Isn't it true that, if there would have been a new/joint contract, that Nicolau would have been implemented?

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Old 07-09-2014 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Last night, we had to go back to the gate due to FAR 117. We were going to go over 9 hours block for day if we took off. We laid over, then deadheaded back to base this morning on our off day. My time card is showing reroute pay, but it is still open. Will that reroute pay stick?
Did your dispatcher try to talk you into taking off anyway because "you could 'cut the corner' (on our out of the way westerly rather than southernly desired routing)" like ours did last month?
Old 07-09-2014 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Alfa is correct, the bankruptcy concessions have been restored, and then some. The problem is guys are considering restoration of the pre-bankruptcy concessions as well, however, those were straight charity to the company.
Ah, yes. How very "Lee Moak" of him...

"The January 1 pay rate increase represents an increase of roughly $75 million in value for the Delta pilots. It also marks somewhat of a milestone in that the New Year pay rates will be above those that were in place when Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in 2005." - Lee Moak, Chairman's Letter, September 23, 2010

Problem is that a very large number of Delta pilots do not consider our "pre-bankruptcy" concession of a draconian, unprecedented 32.5% pay cut to be a permanent reset. Many of us (most?) considered the 32.5% pay cut to be an extreme measure taken in an extreme emergency in an effort to try and keep our company from going into bankruptcy. I don't think any of us at the time intended or even envisioned that this would be permanent. (Adjusted for cost of living increase, our current pay rates are a 34% pay cut.)

Then along came Lee Moak, along with guys like Alfa, and voila... now we have a lot of folks accepting this drastically reduced value for our profession as a new norm. AND we've got a full decade of precedence indicating to management, Wall Street, etc. that we accept this "new norm" and have no intention of restoring our profession and our careers.

Way to go, Moak, Alfa, et al. Maybe someday you will be inducted into the Bean Counter Cost Cutting Hall of Fame!
Old 07-09-2014 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
So happy management is here to let us know we have been restored!

Top spin machine post ever. And that is saying something.
I don't know. I think it might be a tie with this one:

"The January 1 pay rate increase represents an increase of roughly $75 million in value for the Delta pilots. It also marks somewhat of a milestone in that the New Year pay rates will be above those that were in place when Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in 2005." - Lee Moak, Chairman's Letter, September 23, 2010
Old 07-09-2014 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Ah, yes. How very "Lee Moak" of him...

"The January 1 pay rate increase represents an increase of roughly $75 million in value for the Delta pilots. It also marks somewhat of a milestone in that the New Year pay rates will be above those that were in place when Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in 2005." - Lee Moak, Chairman's Letter, September 23, 2010

Problem is that a very large number of Delta pilots do not consider our "pre-bankruptcy" concession of a draconian, unprecedented 32.5% pay cut to be a permanent reset. Many of us (most?) considered the 32.5% pay cut to be an extreme measure taken in an extreme emergency in an effort to try and keep our company from going into bankruptcy. I don't think any of us at the time intended or even envisioned that this would be permanent. (Adjusted for cost of living increase, our current pay rates are a 34% pay cut.)

Then along came Lee Moak, along with guys like Alfa, and voila... now we have a lot of folks accepting this drastically reduced value for our profession as a new norm. AND we've got a full decade of precedence indicating to management, Wall Street, etc. that we accept this "new norm" and have no intention of restoring our profession and our careers.

Way to go, Moak, Alfa, et al. Maybe someday you will be inducted into the Bean Counter Cost Cutting Hall of Fame!
Oh, the rabbit hole goes much deeper. For example, Duane Woerth founded a few companies after his stint in office, and airlines transferred millions to him. Nice huh?
Old 07-09-2014 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Did your dispatcher try to talk you into taking off anyway because "you could 'cut the corner' (on our out of the way westerly rather than southernly desired routing)" like ours did last month?
No. Dispatcher sent message to go back to gate because we were going to time out. There was no pressure on us at all to continue. I'll give credit where it's due.
Old 07-09-2014 | 04:51 PM
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Ah nevermind.
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