Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-03-2014, 08:42 AM
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The United MEC has gone hardcore in its efforts to take over ALPA, and in the process, regional flying. I wonder if Delta management is seeing this, and what their response is going to be?
07-03-2014, 08:51 AM
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This is a great post. It encapsulates what is fair, what the MEC has committed to and what we should expect.
I never understand why but this powerful insider group works hand in hand with management to arrange offsets like reducing profit sharing or pay banding. They sell to their closest friends on the MEC and count the votes to get a majority and then brow beat the rest.
Given the eye popping Delta profits, there is no reason for us to fund any of our gains.
Our concessions were no longer needed for at least the past 2 years. Time to share in the success we created. Time to be rewarded for the billions in life changing concessions.
Just what is fair. A historic C2015 quickly and then continuing to leading the industry.
I never understand why but this powerful insider group works hand in hand with management to arrange offsets like reducing profit sharing or pay banding. They sell to their closest friends on the MEC and count the votes to get a majority and then brow beat the rest.
Given the eye popping Delta profits, there is no reason for us to fund any of our gains.
Our concessions were no longer needed for at least the past 2 years. Time to share in the success we created. Time to be rewarded for the billions in life changing concessions.
Just what is fair. A historic C2015 quickly and then continuing to leading the industry.
07-03-2014, 08:56 AM
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That's true enough, but why is there anyone getting in arguments with him at this stage of the game? OK, so he gets phone calls from guys that leak partial info, and he manufactures these crises to do whatever he wants to do, like make a guy look good, or another guy look bad. So maybe he and some of the other usual suspects are BFF's. We've seen this show before, with the DPA crap.
But why isn't he being met with silence? He using a populist "we deserve more" approach. That seems to me like it should be a pretty self-evident belief for all of us: we deserve more. That means he'd be dismissed as some guy trying to look like he's leading the charge. BFD.
What I don't understand is: why is there even an argument, this early in the game, with his positions? Who is lining up against "we deserve more"? We need subtitles, and cliffnotes, I guess, because the last few days on the L&G make very little sense.
But why isn't he being met with silence? He using a populist "we deserve more" approach. That seems to me like it should be a pretty self-evident belief for all of us: we deserve more. That means he'd be dismissed as some guy trying to look like he's leading the charge. BFD.
What I don't understand is: why is there even an argument, this early in the game, with his positions? Who is lining up against "we deserve more"? We need subtitles, and cliffnotes, I guess, because the last few days on the L&G make very little sense.
You are absolutely correct of course. I have no penchant to suffer fools and to allow misstatements, made up data and half truths to go unchallenged. I must learn to resist the temptation.
07-03-2014, 09:00 AM
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Then by all means, tell us all how you came up with 4833. (Which was spot on, and I will give credit where credit is due) If you don't have a deepthroat, you are a ****ing genius, and you should be emperor.
And to add to that, I think if your deepthroat be found out he should be impeached. jmho.
And to add to that, I think if your deepthroat be found out he should be impeached. jmho.
07-03-2014, 09:32 AM
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Carl, guess what? You're wrong....again.
There are no NDAs for BOD members. There's a little entity called the SEC, perhaps you've heard of it, and it has enough rules with respect to this issue. As for our Pilot Director, his duties/responsibilities are spelled out in the PWA, which says, among other things, "the Pilot Member shall be bound by the confidentiality obligations of the members of the Delta Board with respect to all discussions, deliberations and decisions of the Delta Board and any committees thereof in accordance with the policies of the Delta Board applicable to all members of the Delta Board, provided that, the Pilot Member may from time to time, with the knowledge of the Chairman of the Delta Board or Chief Executive Officer of Delta, exercise his reasonable discretion to provide such information to the Delta MEC, its officers, relevant committees, and advisors who have executed confidentiality agreements approved by Delta for that purpose."
There are no NDAs for BOD members. There's a little entity called the SEC, perhaps you've heard of it, and it has enough rules with respect to this issue. As for our Pilot Director, his duties/responsibilities are spelled out in the PWA, which says, among other things, "the Pilot Member shall be bound by the confidentiality obligations of the members of the Delta Board with respect to all discussions, deliberations and decisions of the Delta Board and any committees thereof in accordance with the policies of the Delta Board applicable to all members of the Delta Board, provided that, the Pilot Member may from time to time, with the knowledge of the Chairman of the Delta Board or Chief Executive Officer of Delta, exercise his reasonable discretion to provide such information to the Delta MEC, its officers, relevant committees, and advisors who have executed confidentiality agreements approved by Delta for that purpose."
Correct, and the reality is there are certain fiduciary responsibilities that our Pilot Director has that would legally disallow him to share information with anyone that is not on the board. As PG writes, this in the PWA and had to be there for the Pilot Directors seat to be agreed to in CH11. AKA, he can and does brief the MEC, but there may be at time when information that is not at a decision point cannot be shared with anyone except the BOD of DAL, Inc.
All of that happy crappy said, our pilot director does a good job and is a very responsible member of DAL's board.
07-03-2014, 10:04 AM
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Thanks Hillbilly....I found APC on Tapatalk. I remember posting on the Site Requests years ago requesting Tapatalk and was told Internet Brands wouldn't use it since it was owned by a competitor. Glad they changed their mind. Halleluiah!
07-03-2014, 10:29 AM
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07-03-2014, 10:41 AM
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OK, this ought to be fun.
Are you a board member PG? If not, you don't know what you're talking about.
There are damn sure plenty of SEC rules, but to say they suffice so that boards don't require NDA's is just wrong. Since I'm not a Delta board member, I don't know for certain. Neither do you. But I strongly suspect based on my own experience.
That all looks like normal language that would have been required before any board would allow a union member to be part.
And by the way, the confidentiality obligations of the Delta board of directors to which the pilot member shall be bound, is almost certainly spelled out in the board member NDA that our guy would have had to sign.
Carl
Are you a board member PG? If not, you don't know what you're talking about.
As for our Pilot Director, his duties/responsibilities are spelled out in the PWA, which says, among other things, "the Pilot Member shall be bound by the confidentiality obligations of the members of the Delta Board with respect to all discussions, deliberations and decisions of the Delta Board and any committees thereof in accordance with the policies of the Delta Board applicable to all members of the Delta Board, provided that, the Pilot Member may from time to time, with the knowledge of the Chairman of the Delta Board or Chief Executive Officer of Delta, exercise his reasonable discretion to provide such information to the Delta MEC, its officers, relevant committees, and advisors who have executed confidentiality agreements approved by Delta for that purpose."
And by the way, the confidentiality obligations of the Delta board of directors to which the pilot member shall be bound, is almost certainly spelled out in the board member NDA that our guy would have had to sign.
Carl
07-03-2014, 10:44 AM
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07-03-2014, 10:49 AM
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