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Old 07-03-2014 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I was most interested in our overall strategy in the Pacific, our competition, and how much flying will be done by Delta pilots, so I didn't push for more info on other aircraft.

Carl
Sorry you were interrupted ... please continue as you were saying about our strategy in the Pacific and how much flying will be done by Delta pilots.
Old 07-03-2014 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
SSDD is right.

Cost neutral.

Same old doughnut talking point.

One trick pony you are.
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Old 07-03-2014 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
Hearing 777 and 787.


Hearing MD10 and MD-11

30 years after the original design is a sweet spot for working out the post-certification post production probelems via line test flying and re-engineering via emergency airworthiness directives and service difficulty reports on Douglas aircraft.

Besides, there are plenty of spare parts and the hydraulics that work so poorly on the MD88 are DC-10/MD-11 parts to begin with, so we have instant fleet commonality.

In related news, the Trainer PA facility is being re rigged to produce hydraulic fluid.
Old 07-03-2014 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar


Hearing MD10 and MD-11

30 years after the original design is a sweet spot for working out the post-certification post production probelems via line test flying and re-engineering via emergency airworthiness directives and service difficulty reports on Douglas aircraft.

Besides, there are plenty of spare parts and the hydraulics that work so poorly on the MD88 are DC-10/MD-11 parts to begin with, so we have instant fleet commonality.

In related news, the Trainer PA facility is being re rigged to produce hydraulic fluid.
If that doesn't pan out then this might be a good idea. What could go wrong?

Airbus: Pilots don't really need windows - seattlepi.com
Old 07-03-2014 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by EdGrimley
If that doesn't pan out then this might be a good idea. What could go wrong?

Airbus: Pilots don't really need windows - seattlepi.com
So we could work from home?

Hey, wait a minute ... I think I know where this is going and I'm to fat to fit in the vertical stab.
Old 07-03-2014 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Actually Carl, the NDA the MEC, Admin et al sign is a Delta NDA and is ruled by SEC regulations. The MEC Confidential is different and not the same thing.
I'm certain that the NDA is a Delta authored NDA and is governed by SEC regulations. With regard to an "MEC Confidential", that's something different and not germane to what we're talking about.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
As for company financials, the company briefs the union on the financials, and the EF&A guys are there to review with the Strat Planning Committee. The MEC is briefed on this stuff, and is what is protected by the SEC NDA.
Don't disagree.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Not sure what the dust up is about.
You might start about 5 pages back if you want the context. The discussion centers on the veracity of claims that C2012 added ~400M per year in value to pilots. I've said that number is to date unproved because neither the company nor the union has shown the math on how that was derived. Others argue that the number had to be accurate because our pilot board member would have cried foul if the company tried to give misleading costing numbers to the union. That's the cliffs version of why we're discussing this.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The Board gets Briefed as does our pilot director, the Strat Planning and EFA guys get briefed on the financials, and then the MEC gets briefed.
You're making it sound like the briefings are done together. To my knowledge, the MEC committees and MEC do not get briefed with the Delta board members present who are also getting their briefing. Those briefings happen separately.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The SEC NDA covers all of that stuff and is not a MEC NDA. Very different.
And all of that different than the Delta board member NDA governing behavior as a Delta board member.

Carl
Old 07-03-2014 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I have had this discussion with multiple ppl, and yes, there are items that may require him by law to not divulge. It goes with the responsibilities any person has when they sit on board, public or otherwise. It also effects those that live with that person, and I have been a party to both.

That said, our pilot director knows the responsibilities of his job to the MEC and to the Board. I believe his fulfilling his job to both parties without compromising his service to the pilots.
Nobody has said differently.

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Old 07-03-2014 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Sorry you were interrupted ... please continue as you were saying about our strategy in the Pacific and how much flying will be done by Delta pilots.
Cliffs version:

We're slowly de-hubbing NRT in favor of North America to Asia point to point.

NRT/HND still highest pax yields with China being the lowest.

De-hubbing strategy will require much smaller aircraft than the 744, thus not renewing their leases.

No mention of the 777-300 replacing the 744 as that aircraft is also too big for the strategy.

744 is profitable airframe, but is forecast not to be after leases expire due to higher projected maintenance costs.

He "said" that Delta's strategy is to use Delta for the strategy as opposed to JV partners. When I pressed him, he revised that Delta will ensure Delta gets 50% of the growth compared to JV partners. The discussion clearly made him uncomfortable. It did me too, but for different reasons.

Vehemently against the Export Import Bank. Delta will fight for a level international playing field.

Overall, the Pacific has a bright future at Delta due to the forecast continued population and manufacturing growth in Asia.

I'm sure there was more, but I didn't take notes.

Carl
Old 07-03-2014 | 12:08 PM
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One of my buddies sent this link from MSP the other night.

What a thrill to see a 1946 Ercoupe (identified by the twin vertical stabs) with the extended payload/range mods.

Old 07-03-2014 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
One of my buddies sent this link from MSP the other night.

What a thrill to see a 1946 Ercoupe (identified by the twin vertical stabs) with the extended payload/range mods.

That Ercoupe needs more tires!
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