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Old 07-24-2014 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Those of us who were here for C2K may remember that committee saying something about having tried for more but settling for what they felt was the most they could get. As I recall, they too used the TVM argument.
That may be true. I don't remember it that well.

But what you have to remember is that C2K was a COMPLETELY different situation than what we have now. We weren't trying to recover from a 42% pay cut (or anything even remotely like it) when we were negotiating C2K. Oh... I forgot. We apparently aren't trying to do that now either.
Old 07-24-2014 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Airlines offer off contract compensation to pilots all the time.

This isn't a straw man argument.
Airlines offer very limited off contract compensation and in most cases what they can offer isn't close to enough. They can't hire into a seperate A+ scale. They can pay hotels for training and things like that, but even signing bonuses can be challenged.

Your main point of some free for all high ball bidding fantasy at the majors if we got rid of the regionals and we all would make 400K a year still isn't close to reality though.

What baffles me is the Herculean lack of effort that's (not) being applied at doing anything at the bottom end. DL sold its little flight academy and none of them are doing anything other than lobying for dramatically overpriced college programs to be able to knock off a few hundred hours. That isn't even close to the spool up at the bottom end that's needed. Besides you could set up a votech style school with older planes and none of the overpriced nonsense and get wet commercials left and right while building your own supply and demand for CFI's to the point that 1500 hours wouldn't be an issue anyway. A few hundred hours at a busy flight school is only a few extra months.

Instead the best and brightest in the industry are fiddling while the brushfires spread. Oh well.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
I agree that would be great, but for the record, they're now available M-F 8-8.
I just wish someone from Dalpa would check the insane reroutes occasionally!

Tracking just this week changed the rotations of not less than 8 crewmembers thru reroute just to get a maint. ferry to ATL, when it would have been simple to just DH 2 crew to fly the flight back!
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Airlines offer very limited off contract compensation and in most cases what they can offer isn't close to enough. They can't hire into a seperate A+ scale. They can pay hotels for training and things like that, but even signing bonuses can be challenged.

Your main point of some free for all high ball bidding fantasy at the majors if we got rid of the regionals and we all would make 400K a year still isn't close to reality though.

What baffles me is the Herculean lack of effort that's (not) being applied at doing anything at the bottom end. DL sold its little flight academy and none of them are doing anything other than lobying for dramatically overpriced college programs to be able to knock off a few hundred hours. That isn't even close to the spool up at the bottom end that's needed. Besides you could set up a votech style school with older planes and none of the overpriced nonsense and get wet commercials left and right while building your own supply and demand for CFI's to the point that 1500 hours wouldn't be an issue anyway. A few hundred hours at a busy flight school is only a few extra months.

Instead the best and brightest in the industry are fiddling while the brushfires spread. Oh well.
They can't do anything about it, it's a regional shortage. Delta can't spend money to train someone at Skywest, and then two weeks later said person is flying for UAL. Ab-intio only works if the pilot is going to mainline.

This is why I say the clock is ticking on DCI, as these other carriers besides 9E, have to choose which contracts they want to cover. Since the ASA's with Delta are written in favor of DAL, they will be dropped first.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:13 PM
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Does anyone that live in the Coweta, Fayette, or Fulton county have a set of 737NG cockpit posters I could use. PM me if you feel like being a Good Samaritan.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:25 PM
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Lost track of the 330 bunk situation... Do all the 330's have bunks now or is it a mix of some bunks and some seats?... And if it's a mix, what's the mix?

Part two...

For any one who has gone from a career of boeing to the 330, what was the transition like?

Thanks in advance.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:27 PM
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Anyone that flies internationally have:
The Pilots Atlas Eastern Hemisphere (Europe, Middle East and S.E. and Asia)?

Looks like it might have some useful "big picture" stuff that would help orientate you better than your standard Jepp chart. By that I mean, you'd be able to see what part of what country your flying over vs. just looking at airways etc...


Just didn't know if it'd be worth having? I'd think so, but don't want to waste money if it isn't so hot.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyVictor
Does anyone that live in the Coweta, Fayette, or Fulton county have a set of 737NG cockpit posters I could use. PM me if you feel like being a Good Samaritan.
Don't think Delta ever gave those out and I am not sure what they would be used for. Time would be better spent doing the practice tests and ESV preparation.

The 737NG's (and Boeing) flows are very simple. The avionics can be a bit much for someone who is not used to them. For that, a copy of FSX and the PDMG 73NG would work.

PMDG Simulations

There's a good study guide floating around but if I dared to offer to send you a copy my box would be instantly full of "mee too." For new hire training the guide is too much. The guy who wrote it knows a lot more than they require that you know now days ... these days the focus is on safe and competent operation of the aircraft ... a very high level overview of systems beyond that. But really Delta provides what you need and there are procedures trainers (forgot what they call them) that are usually available too.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Don't think Delta ever gave those out and I am not sure what they would be used for. Time would be better spent doing the practice tests and ESV preparation.

The 737NG's (and Boeing) flows are very simple. The avionics can be a bit much for someone who is not used to them. For that, a copy of FSX and the PDMG 73NG would work.

PMDG Simulations

There's a good study guide floating around but if I dared to offer to send you a copy my box would be instantly full of "mee too." For new hire training the guide is too much. The guy who wrote it knows a lot more than they require that you know now days ... these days the focus is on safe and competent operation of the aircraft ... a very high level overview of systems beyond that. But really Delta provides what you need and there are procedures trainers (forgot what they call them) that are usually available too.
Thanks for the info.
Old 07-24-2014 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
We are in a 'brave new world' when it comes to airline labor relations:

How Lee Moak Changed the Airline Industry - TheStreet
Yes we are. But most importantly, the members were never asked about this. This is the vision of one man. Exactly how top-down organizations are run.

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