Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-24-2014, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
What is the basis for your advice?
Just curious.
Just curious.
Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Exactly. So why make an inevitable outcome worse by ruining one's career?
I think you could've left the "ballsy" adjective out of your description.
There's nothing "ballsy" about committing career-suicide by "signing up" for an Illegal Job Action under the RLA.
Good day.
I think you could've left the "ballsy" adjective out of your description.
There's nothing "ballsy" about committing career-suicide by "signing up" for an Illegal Job Action under the RLA. Good day.
Between the big 3, they plan on hiring nearly 3500 pilots in the next 18 months....equivalent to the entire pilot groups at Republic and Compass just disappearing.
In 3-5 years it will equal or eclipse that to the tune of another 5000-7000 again and that's not even including JB, SWA, FDX, NK, UPS, or ALK.
The problem will fix itself soon because the pipline is empty due to the short-term MBA outsourcing paradigm. Main line pilots need to hold the line and continue to shrink the bottom end (and top end but different discussion) outsourcing as opportunities present themselves.
I have a mental picture that we will be seeing the return of the DC9/727 routes on 717/M88's doing ATL-SHV-MLU-SHV-ATL, ATL-BHM-JAN-BHM-ATL, etc. in the near future as the passenger demand for those cities is stable but the separate lift capability due to no pilots to fly the block hours on a separate leg.
But hey, if I could read the future I wouldn't be hanging out on the internet with you clowns!
07-24-2014, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I would argue that a regional, like Endeavor is a major obstacle to scope recapture due to us being ALPA. If you get scope back in C2015, management could force an SLI between us, however, if we were not ALPA, that would not be a threat.
Without a pre-nup there would be no JPWA and no support from either ALPA, or management.
Hypothetically we could work together on a consensus proposal. Without ALPA to facilitate that really can't happen.
Yes, the Delta pilots could negotiate with Delta to kill outsourcing. But, frankly, your scope negotiations have been more effective than ours. Management is complying with yours; ours not so much.
Question: Since your contract and our contract is now with the same management, is it proper to use the term "our management" ? Certainly at the level these decisions are made, it is the same people calling the shots.
07-24-2014, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
"If we can do this, we can do anything. We will send a powerful message if we stick together and STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT."
Sung to the tune of "Get up Stand up," by Bob Marley.
Sung to the tune of "Get up Stand up," by Bob Marley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjg8mr36NQ
07-24-2014, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
Sorry to be a dumb newhire, but my rotation says 3 different times. If it says 12.00/14.00/9.00, what am I contractually and legally required to do? The first day only has 2 times with an ACT/MAX label above the 2 times. I know this was on deltanet many moons ago, but I cant find anything.
12 hours of duty without the extension
14 hours of duty with the extension
9 hours max flight time.
You should also have your PWA duty limitations. You'll see these as two numbers. An example would be 7.42/12.46
If you would like a more detailed explanation log on to the DALPA website and access the library. Search for Scheduling Alert 14-03.
07-24-2014, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Methinks you missed my point... I think it's a stupid idea to withhold services to "send a message that we are underpaid" by claiming a sick call as the cover. IIRC, American (and maybe United also) pilots got in legal trouble over "protest" sick calls. Performing job actions outside of self help are a risky move given the way the courts have handed down anti-labor rulings under the RLA in the last 15-20 years. Bad idea all the way around. The only way is to resign or get hired where you will be compensated accordingly, not by abuse of sick leave language.
Between the big 3, they plan on hiring nearly 3500 pilots in the next 18 months....equivalent to the entire pilot groups at Republic and Compass just disappearing.
In 3-5 years it will equal or eclipse that to the tune of another 5000-7000 again and that's not even including JB, SWA, FDX, NK, UPS, or ALK.
The problem will fix itself soon because the pipline is empty due to the short-term MBA outsourcing paradigm. Main line pilots need to hold the line and continue to shrink the bottom end (and top end but different discussion) outsourcing as opportunities present themselves.
I have a mental picture that we will be seeing the return of the DC9/727 routes on 717/M88's doing ATL-SHV-MLU-SHV-ATL, ATL-BHM-JAN-BHM-ATL, etc. in the near future as the passenger demand for those cities is stable but the separate lift capability due to no pilots to fly the block hours on a separate leg.
But hey, if I could read the future I wouldn't be hanging out on the internet with you clowns!
Between the big 3, they plan on hiring nearly 3500 pilots in the next 18 months....equivalent to the entire pilot groups at Republic and Compass just disappearing.
In 3-5 years it will equal or eclipse that to the tune of another 5000-7000 again and that's not even including JB, SWA, FDX, NK, UPS, or ALK.
The problem will fix itself soon because the pipline is empty due to the short-term MBA outsourcing paradigm. Main line pilots need to hold the line and continue to shrink the bottom end (and top end but different discussion) outsourcing as opportunities present themselves.
I have a mental picture that we will be seeing the return of the DC9/727 routes on 717/M88's doing ATL-SHV-MLU-SHV-ATL, ATL-BHM-JAN-BHM-ATL, etc. in the near future as the passenger demand for those cities is stable but the separate lift capability due to no pilots to fly the block hours on a separate leg.
But hey, if I could read the future I wouldn't be hanging out on the internet with you clowns!
I do not know about the rest of the carriers, but we are cutting more RJ flying than the 1,000 pilots a year we are hiring can absorb through 2017.
Bigger airplanes = Fewer Airplanes = Cost Savings
07-24-2014, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
12.00/14.00/9.00 should be your FDP limits.
12 hours of duty without the extension
14 hours of duty with the extension
9 hours max flight time.
You should also have your PWA duty limitations. You'll see these as two numbers. An example would be 7.42/12.46
If you would like a more detailed explanation log on to the DALPA website and access the library. Search for Scheduling Alert 14-03.
12 hours of duty without the extension
14 hours of duty with the extension
9 hours max flight time.
You should also have your PWA duty limitations. You'll see these as two numbers. An example would be 7.42/12.46
If you would like a more detailed explanation log on to the DALPA website and access the library. Search for Scheduling Alert 14-03.
07-24-2014, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
You are going to have to explain.
Without a pre-nup there would be no JPWA and no support from either ALPA, or management.
Hypothetically we could work together on a consensus proposal. Without ALPA to facilitate that really can't happen.
Yes, the Delta pilots could negotiate with Delta to kill outsourcing. But, frankly, your scope negotiations have been more effective than ours. Management is complying with yours; ours not so much.
Question: Since your contract and our contract is now with the same management, is it proper to use the term "our management" ? Certainly at the level these decisions are made, it is the same people calling the shots.
Without a pre-nup there would be no JPWA and no support from either ALPA, or management.
Hypothetically we could work together on a consensus proposal. Without ALPA to facilitate that really can't happen.
Yes, the Delta pilots could negotiate with Delta to kill outsourcing. But, frankly, your scope negotiations have been more effective than ours. Management is complying with yours; ours not so much.
Question: Since your contract and our contract is now with the same management, is it proper to use the term "our management" ? Certainly at the level these decisions are made, it is the same people calling the shots.
07-24-2014, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
Awesome info, thanks.
It should be noted that you can be required to exceed the max scheduled duty by up to two hours.
07-24-2014, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Shiz,
I do not know about the rest of the carriers, but we are cutting more RJ flying than the 1,000 pilots a year we are hiring can absorb through 2017.
Bigger airplanes = Fewer Airplanes = Cost Savings
I do not know about the rest of the carriers, but we are cutting more RJ flying than the 1,000 pilots a year we are hiring can absorb through 2017.
Bigger airplanes = Fewer Airplanes = Cost Savings
The suction of mainline needs in growth AND retirement replacement is collapsing the regional segment, this is just the beginning and silly schemes like an "EtD" is airline management trying to mend a severed limb with a cheap bandaid. Not gonna work.
07-24-2014, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
Awesome info, thanks.
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