Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-07-2014 | 07:30 AM
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Carry on, Sir!! The more they hear from us, the better informed a decision they will be able to make. My reps say they are very concerned about the seniority aspect, but needed to consider as well the benefits to the 747 Captains that will not be displaced as a result of the ER.
09-07-2014 | 07:33 AM
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I'm all for getting senior guys to retire, but in the big picture there's got to be something else driving this.
09-07-2014 | 07:34 AM
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So when we park the 757s, I can hardly wait for the targeted retirement proposal that will come out to the 757 community to prevent stagnation and displacements to the 737/320/-88/717 guys.....
09-07-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program.
ALPA would have preferred pure seniority.
Delta's solution makes no political sense for us.
ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them.
Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer.
Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal.
09-07-2014 | 07:48 AM
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You've just proven the point. If the ER was not targeted, they'd likely have to hand out 300 severance packages to get the 25 744 A's they're trying to get. That makes zero sense.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program.
ALPA would have preferred pure seniority.
Delta's solution makes no political sense for us.
ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them.
Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer.
Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program.
ALPA would have preferred pure seniority.
Delta's solution makes no political sense for us.
ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them.
Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer.
Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal.
09-07-2014 | 07:53 AM
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No idea how long that would have been, but I can't imagine it would have been more than a year, depending on the age of the pilots who wind up taking the early out (assuming the MEC ratifies the LOA).
09-07-2014 | 07:54 AM
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You've just proven the point. If the ER was not targeted, they'd likely have to hand out 300 severance packages to get the 25 744 A's they're trying to get. That makes zero sense.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program.
ALPA would have preferred pure seniority.
Delta's solution makes no political sense for us.
ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them.
Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer.
Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal.
Delta would have preferred a 744 A only program.
ALPA would have preferred pure seniority.
Delta's solution makes no political sense for us.
ALPA's solution makes no economic sense for them.
Sounds like we met half way, with something for all. Delta saves SOME money on training/staffing, and we get 2x the number of pilots off the top of list that they'd prefer.
Seems like a reasonable, negotiated settlement to me; though to be honest, I'm fine with just letting the chips fall where they may and having no LOA at all, as I'm not sure the cost/benefit will be worth it, when you look at the ages of the guys I expect to take the deal.
You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. The guys that make out here are the guys at the bottom of the whale list. They keep getting super duper uber premium pay when by all rights they cannot hold it. Getting the top of the list to leave only prevents the bottom from being displaced into lower paying equipment.
This is not, and never was our problem, and it gets solved by offering gold to them that already have the most of it. I hope when I retire they offer me something like this, but I won't hold my breath.
09-07-2014 | 07:57 AM
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I guess that the suddenness of the 747 parking creates a temporary surplus. If the Company displaces some of all of that surplus, those guys will take up some amount of room in some amount of other aircraft, e.g., 330, for some amount of time into which others would have moved up into, thus causing some temporary delay on their upgrades.
No idea how long that would have been, but I can't imagine it would have been more than a year, depending on the age of the pilots who wind up taking the early out (assuming the MEC ratifies the LOA).
No idea how long that would have been, but I can't imagine it would have been more than a year, depending on the age of the pilots who wind up taking the early out (assuming the MEC ratifies the LOA).
tem-po-ra-ry. Yup.. And I have no problem with being a little more junior for a tem-po-ra-ry amount of time. I have waited this long, a few more months won't make any difference. This is all about precedent in my mind. You are catering to a select group, and the other 11999 of us don't benefit in any meaningful way. This sucks eggs.
09-07-2014 | 07:57 AM
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"Allegedly"? Seriously? You mean the leverage that would have allowed our MEC to reject the proposed ER? Why would you try to misrepresent what leverage we actually had?
As to why our MEC approved and allowed an ER program that abrogates pilot seniority so that the company could save money that's a pretty simple question, isn't it? I guess it's too obvious and pains some to have to face facts, but it would be a prime example of our union doing what's best for the company instead of what's best for its members. But if one thinks ignoring pilot seniority is okey-dokey well, I guess it's more complicated.
09-07-2014 | 07:59 AM
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From: 767er Captain
The only thing that will make this palatable is if 25 GenPop guys take it and 10 special interest guys do. But even then...........
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