Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-23-2014, 04:38 PM
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I know I am going to get crapped on for this but had Airbus had a normal yolk the Pilot in the left seat would have seen the FO pull back and hold the yolk so when he took the controls he would have seen the other guy contradict his inputs and said something. That might have brought the nose down to get airflow over the wings but by both pilot operating the controls in opposite directions the airplane had no real direction in which to go.
09-23-2014, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
If you log into iCrew on a computer, there is now a screen that explains the work around.
09-23-2014, 04:46 PM
Wind the clock beoch
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The article's psychobabble is cringeworthy. When faced with a similar threat, here is how it turned out at Delta.
A critical difference is that we hire experienced pilots.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Originally Posted by Aviation Today 2-7-2011
The NTSB said another incident may have occurred on June 23, 2009 on a Northwest Airlines A-330 flying between Hong Kong and Tokyo. The aircraft landed safely in Tokyo; no injuries or damage was reported.
The Northwest A330 was cruising at 39,000 feet on autopilot near Kagoshima, Japan, when it encountered intense rain and both the captain's and co-pilot's airspeed indicators immediately showed a huge rollback in the plane's forward velocity. With autopilot and automatic-throttle controls disengaged, the cockpit was filled with beeps and bright warning signals indicating various system problems. The Northwest crew said the event lasted more than three minutes, but they maintained airspeed, manually flew the most direct route out of the storm and nobody was hurt.
The NTSB said another incident may have occurred on June 23, 2009 on a Northwest Airlines A-330 flying between Hong Kong and Tokyo. The aircraft landed safely in Tokyo; no injuries or damage was reported.
The Northwest A330 was cruising at 39,000 feet on autopilot near Kagoshima, Japan, when it encountered intense rain and both the captain's and co-pilot's airspeed indicators immediately showed a huge rollback in the plane's forward velocity. With autopilot and automatic-throttle controls disengaged, the cockpit was filled with beeps and bright warning signals indicating various system problems. The Northwest crew said the event lasted more than three minutes, but they maintained airspeed, manually flew the most direct route out of the storm and nobody was hurt.
Your "we hire experienced pilots" comment is incredibly arrogant. I'm astonished that you could say something so stupid. I guess since you're "experienced" that you don't make mistakes. Must be nice to be perfect.
While you boast about DAL hiring "experienced" pilots, your beloved union was against having the 1500 hour/ATP requirement applied to current 121 pilots who did not meet the new requirements.
ALPA Fastread, May 3, 2012 said this:
"ALPA’s comments support the NPRM, but they also call on the agency to prescribe a regulatory path that will permit non-ATP certificated pilots who presently fly for a Part 121 carrier to obtain the ATP certificate, and type rating for the aircraft that they operate, without creating a break in employment or an undue burden for them or their employers."
So much for supporting "experience." But hey, let's not create an "undue burden" on management. To hell with safety. And let's "protect" low time pilots to not create an "undue burden" on them. What about the safety of the traveling public? What happened to "one level of safety"? Do you not see the hypocrisy?
If ALPA didn't have the inherent conflict of interest in trying to represent both mainline and regional pilots one wonders whether the ALPA would've supported such a carveout. Just what would happen if commuter airlines couldn't staff their airlines with "experienced" pilots. Just where would that flying go???? Hmmmmm? The MAJORS, that's where.
And while we're at it, let's allow knives in the cabin. Another colossal ALPA blunder.
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09-23-2014, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
Mr. Anderson gives a little outlook on the MSP operation. Also mentions a new Asian destination in 3-5 years. What's your guess?
Here's the actual quote: "My hope is working with (Metropolitan Airports Commission Executive Director) Jeff (Hamiel), we're going to be able to have another long-haul, nonstop into Asia in the next three to five years."
Lots of hope in that sentence.
09-23-2014, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
3-5 years is an eternity in this business these days. He could easily be saying we'll serve Mars in 3-5 years.
Here's the actual quote: "My hope is working with (Metropolitan Airports Commission Executive Director) Jeff (Hamiel), we're going to be able to have another long-haul, nonstop into Asia in the next three to five years."
Lots of hope in that sentence.
Here's the actual quote: "My hope is working with (Metropolitan Airports Commission Executive Director) Jeff (Hamiel), we're going to be able to have another long-haul, nonstop into Asia in the next three to five years."
Lots of hope in that sentence.
And just after that quote was some comment on 787's and 350's. Not sure the reporter got it right.
“My hope is that we are going to be able to have another nonstop into Asia in the next three to five years,” Anderson said, speaking to the MSP Foundation’s State of the Airport luncheon.
Delta is replacing its fleet of Boeing 747s with Boeing’s new, fuel efficient 787 aircraft and Airbus A350 planes. “That fleet is going to unlock longer haul markets,” Anderson said.
09-23-2014, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
Mr. Anderson gives a little outlook on the MSP operation. Also mentions a new Asian destination in 3-5 years. What's your guess?
The end of the article mentions 4 people interrupted the meeting demanding wage increases. Apparently one was from the company who pushes wheelchairs. Hopefully one of the others was Donatelli!
Delta CEO: MSP is world's best-run airport - Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal
The end of the article mentions 4 people interrupted the meeting demanding wage increases. Apparently one was from the company who pushes wheelchairs. Hopefully one of the others was Donatelli!
Delta CEO: MSP is world's best-run airport - Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal
09-23-2014, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by index
Bar,
Your "we hire experienced pilots" comment is incredibly arrogant. I'm astonished that you could say something so stupid. I guess since you're "experienced" that you don't make mistakes. Must be nice to be perfect.
While you boast about DAL hiring "experienced" pilots, your beloved union was against having the 1500 hour/ATP requirement applied to current 121 pilots who did not meet the new requirements.
ALPA Fastread, May 3, 2012 said this:
"ALPA’s comments support the NPRM, but they also call on the agency to prescribe a regulatory path that will permit non-ATP certificated pilots who presently fly for a Part 121 carrier to obtain the ATP certificate, and type rating for the aircraft that they operate, without creating a break in employment or an undue burden for them or their employers."
So much for supporting "experience." But hey, let's not create an "undue burden" on management. To hell with safety. And let's "protect" low time pilots to not create an "undue burden" on them. What about the safety of the traveling public? What happened to "one level of safety"? Do you not see the hypocrisy?
If ALPA didn't have the inherent conflict of interest in trying to represent both mainline and regional pilots one wonders whether the ALPA would've supported such a carveout. Just what would happen if commuter airlines couldn't staff their airlines with "experienced" pilots. Just where would that flying go???? Hmmmmm? The MAJORS, that's where.
And while we're at it, let's allow knives in the cabin. Another colossal ALPA blunder.
Your "we hire experienced pilots" comment is incredibly arrogant. I'm astonished that you could say something so stupid. I guess since you're "experienced" that you don't make mistakes. Must be nice to be perfect.
While you boast about DAL hiring "experienced" pilots, your beloved union was against having the 1500 hour/ATP requirement applied to current 121 pilots who did not meet the new requirements.
ALPA Fastread, May 3, 2012 said this:
"ALPA’s comments support the NPRM, but they also call on the agency to prescribe a regulatory path that will permit non-ATP certificated pilots who presently fly for a Part 121 carrier to obtain the ATP certificate, and type rating for the aircraft that they operate, without creating a break in employment or an undue burden for them or their employers."
So much for supporting "experience." But hey, let's not create an "undue burden" on management. To hell with safety. And let's "protect" low time pilots to not create an "undue burden" on them. What about the safety of the traveling public? What happened to "one level of safety"? Do you not see the hypocrisy?
If ALPA didn't have the inherent conflict of interest in trying to represent both mainline and regional pilots one wonders whether the ALPA would've supported such a carveout. Just what would happen if commuter airlines couldn't staff their airlines with "experienced" pilots. Just where would that flying go???? Hmmmmm? The MAJORS, that's where.
And while we're at it, let's allow knives in the cabin. Another colossal ALPA blunder.
Is that the kind of representation we can expect from you (people who wish to replace ALPA with some unnamed organization)?
09-23-2014, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
I know I am going to get crapped on for this but had Airbus had a normal yolk the Pilot in the left seat would have seen the FO pull back and hold the yolk so when he took the controls he would have seen the other guy contradict his inputs and said something. That might have brought the nose down to get airflow over the wings but by both pilot operating the controls in opposite directions the airplane had no real direction in which to go.
Dude, Agree with your main point but yolk=inside of an egg. Yoke=control wheel
09-23-2014, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Dude, Agree with your main point but yolk=inside of an egg. Yoke=control wheel
09-23-2014, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
So ALPA, who represented some of those non ATP certified pilots already flying for 121 carriers, should have advocated for their firing? Cause, that's what you saying....
Is that the kind of representation we can expect from you (people who wish to replace ALPA with some unnamed organization)?
Is that the kind of representation we can expect from you (people who wish to replace ALPA with some unnamed organization)?
Is "firing" the only option? How about those pilots who lack experience go out and get some more experience and THEN come back to fly the traveling public around??? You think that would've been a reasonable alternative? 1500 hours is NOT a lot of flying time.
The issue is whether ALPA supports a higher standard or not. Do they or don't they? "One Level of Safety" apparently is just a slogan. When it comes down to application, featherbedding is more important. Gotta avoid those "undue burdens" eh? That's more important than avoiding a smoking hole. Got it.
Another reasonable alternative would to have NOT SAID ANYTHING, i.e. NOT ARGUED FOR A LOWER STANDARD JUST FOR CONVENIENCE SAKE. It's too bad ALPA has an inherent conflict of interest trying to be everything to all pilot groups.
ALPA could've just kept their mouth shut and let the A4A argue that point. In the same way Moak could've just kept his yap shut about allowing knives in the cabin. Every BUT ALPA thought it was a terrible idea. Not Moak.
That's YOUR UNION. I already know what to EXPECT from them. They have a long track record of poor performance and bad decision making. Enjoy.
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