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Old 10-07-2014 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
and the pilot can take a snooze while in the seat, the trucker can not. Get it?
Why are you obsessing about truck drivers? It's counterproductive. Maybe join truckdriverscentral.com?

Let's focus on getting more money and more time off for us.
Old 10-07-2014 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Okay 1067, I'm going to try this one more time. You're missing the point.

We.Are.Not.Truck.Drivers.
My thoughts exactly.
Old 10-07-2014 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
You are totally missing the point. I don't need need to ask the 717,88,320 and 737 guys how much sleep they get. I know we all get at least 10 hours behind the door.
We do NOT get 10 hours behind the door.
Old 10-07-2014 | 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Why are you obsessing about truck drivers? Let's focus on getting more money and more time off for us.
Agreed, and I apologize for my role in propagating this topic. RockyBoy had stated that truck drivers have stricter duty time rules than we do, and in my anal-retentive nature, I just had to look it up and post that he was wrong in most cases. PD, you responded that you were embarrassed that there is an example of a truck driver being a bit more limited than we are.

Can we all agree that we're not truck drivers and move on?
Old 10-07-2014 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I know. I opened up the can of worms and Alan decided to somehow pitch a fit that I said our rest rules sucked.
Nice characterization. You said that our duty limits were worse than those of truck drivers. I looked them up and posted them, showing that what you said wasn't quite true.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy
My point was that just because we are "legal" doesn't mean we should start a duty period. A truck driver did that and went to prison for 5 years. So if we get CDO's, even if they are legal, and we head back home the next morning fatigued....you could lose a lot more than your job. That was my point, not that we should compare ourselves to truckers.
And I fully agree with your point.
Old 10-07-2014 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I think Rocky's original point is that our rest rules under 117 and the LOA are totally inadequate.

Alan is attempting to obfuscate that inadequacy by quibbling.
I was neither disagreeing nor agreeing with, nor attempting to obfuscate (whatever that means), anything. Just trying to keep a discussion factually based.

When there is an issue about which we truly have cause for concern, it does not help that cause to exaggerate the issue by making factual misstatements.
Old 10-07-2014 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
I was neither disagreeing nor agreeing with, nor attempting to obfuscate (whatever that means), anything. Just trying to keep a discussion factually based.

When there is an issue about which we truly have cause for concern, it does not help that cause to exaggerate the issue by making factual misstatements.
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Old 10-07-2014 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Can we all agree that we're not truck drivers and move on?
Yes. I could take any one of the 12,000 Delta pilots and teach them to drive a truck in less than 2 weeks. I have guys who have been truck drivers for years who can't fill out a simple fuel log correctly. Their is absolutely no comparison between the two or EVERY single truck driver in the USA would be an airline pilot. There is a reason why each of us are where we are at. We belong to a group that many dream of being in, but few have the skills and ability to join. Without our professionalism, dedication, and extremely specialized training, the traveling public would be far less safe these days. Sorry about all the truck driving stuff Alan.
Old 10-07-2014 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
I was neither disagreeing nor agreeing with, nor attempting to obfuscate (whatever that means), anything. Just trying to keep a discussion factually based.

When there is an issue about which we truly have cause for concern, it does not help that cause to exaggerate the issue by making factual misstatements.
Wait.....then this site wouldn't be any fun.
Old 10-07-2014 | 05:42 AM
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