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11-09-2009, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Is it a hanging chad, or a scratched chad?
11-09-2009, 02:54 PM
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With all this talk of the MOAB, does anyone know a cure for Pre Integration Super Stressed Early Displacement disorder? I'm already showing early signs of a Future Unmotivated Not-moving Kommuter
So far I think I need:
anything else to prepare for the displacement?
So far I think I need:
- An engine block heater
- A snow blower
- A divorce attorney
anything else to prepare for the displacement?
11-09-2009, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
With all this talk of the MOAB, does anyone know a cure for Pre Integration Super Stressed Early Displacement disorder?
In reality wait before you blow your brains out, you were pleasantl surprised before.
11-09-2009, 02:57 PM
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Quote from Chris Frederic.
"Rumors of AE out in DEC closing right after SOC"
"SOC expected to be complete prior to end of DEC"
As they say "It is what it is"
"Rumors of AE out in DEC closing right after SOC"
"SOC expected to be complete prior to end of DEC"
As they say "It is what it is"
11-09-2009, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Is it a hanging chad, or a scratched chad?
11-09-2009, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
Quote from Chris Frederic.
"Rumors of AE out in DEC closing right after SOC"
"SOC expected to be complete prior to end of DEC"
As they say "It is what it is"
"Rumors of AE out in DEC closing right after SOC"
"SOC expected to be complete prior to end of DEC"
As they say "It is what it is"
11-09-2009, 03:08 PM
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Why do you feel 3 would cause a revolution? What if they negotiated some contractual improvements?
Originally Posted by Sink r8
Then there are only three options:
1) SOC will be available prior to the AE,
2) The MOAB strategy will be to have another AE for each pre-merger side,
3) Something will be negotiated, and something given away, to permit the MOAB to be a system-wide event.
I'm guessing 1 or 2, with 2 more likely: they'll be trying to move a few people around pre-SOC, and trying to keep post-SOC movement to a minimum.
Option 3 would get us closer to a revolution.
1) SOC will be available prior to the AE,
2) The MOAB strategy will be to have another AE for each pre-merger side,
3) Something will be negotiated, and something given away, to permit the MOAB to be a system-wide event.
I'm guessing 1 or 2, with 2 more likely: they'll be trying to move a few people around pre-SOC, and trying to keep post-SOC movement to a minimum.
Option 3 would get us closer to a revolution.
11-09-2009, 03:11 PM
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We are getting someone's attention.
AMR CEO goes public in case to keep JAL deal
American Airlines CEO steps up campaign to persuade Japan Airlines to ignore Delta's advance
DALLAS (AP) -- The CEO of American Airlines says Japan Airlines would be taking a risk and suffer financially if it breaks ties with American and joins an alliance with Delta Air Lines.
Gerard Arpey said Monday that American and its partner airlines "produce hundreds of millions of dollars of value for JAL" and want to strengthen their ties.
Arpey made the comments in Mexico City at a meeting of the oneworld alliance of global airlines, which includes American, British Airways and JAL. Delta belongs to another alliance, SkyTeam, and is trying to lure JAL away from oneworld.
American and Delta have battled over JAL for several weeks, largely in private. Arpey's remarks elevated the fight by marking the most detailed public comments by either CEO.
Delta declined comment.
Last month, Delta CEO Richard Anderson declined to answer questions about JAL. But he said Delta and SkyTeam partner Air France-KLM have shown an ability to develop successful alliances with their trans-Atlantic business.
The stakes in the JAL battle are high for American, a unit of AMR Corp. Arpey told his own executives last month that if JAL jumps to Delta's team, "that would certainly be very bad for us."
Both AMR and Delta are seeking a minority stake in JAL, which has been looking for an injection of capital and help from the Japanese government to avoid collapse.
Delta and American covet JAL because of its extensive routes in Japan and China. By having JAL as a partner since the mid-1990s, American has been able to sell those routes to its own customers and share in the revenue. American and JAL offer reciprocal frequent-flier privileges to each other's passengers.
Arpey has said the partnership with JAL allows American to win customers away from United and Delta's Northwest Airlines unit, both of which fly from the U.S. to Tokyo.
American officials claim that JAL would suffer up to $500 million in lost revenue over two years while it switches to Delta's SkyTeam alliance. And American argues that it could win regulatory approval for even closer ties -- antitrust immunity that would let American and JAL set prices and schedules on U.S.-Tokyo flights. American claims that Delta might not win regulatory approval because a Delta-Northwest-JAL team would control more than 60 percent of the U.S.-Tokyo market.
American Airlines CEO steps up campaign to persuade Japan Airlines to ignore Delta's advance
DALLAS (AP) -- The CEO of American Airlines says Japan Airlines would be taking a risk and suffer financially if it breaks ties with American and joins an alliance with Delta Air Lines.
Gerard Arpey said Monday that American and its partner airlines "produce hundreds of millions of dollars of value for JAL" and want to strengthen their ties.
Arpey made the comments in Mexico City at a meeting of the oneworld alliance of global airlines, which includes American, British Airways and JAL. Delta belongs to another alliance, SkyTeam, and is trying to lure JAL away from oneworld.
American and Delta have battled over JAL for several weeks, largely in private. Arpey's remarks elevated the fight by marking the most detailed public comments by either CEO.
Delta declined comment.
Last month, Delta CEO Richard Anderson declined to answer questions about JAL. But he said Delta and SkyTeam partner Air France-KLM have shown an ability to develop successful alliances with their trans-Atlantic business.
The stakes in the JAL battle are high for American, a unit of AMR Corp. Arpey told his own executives last month that if JAL jumps to Delta's team, "that would certainly be very bad for us."
Both AMR and Delta are seeking a minority stake in JAL, which has been looking for an injection of capital and help from the Japanese government to avoid collapse.
Delta and American covet JAL because of its extensive routes in Japan and China. By having JAL as a partner since the mid-1990s, American has been able to sell those routes to its own customers and share in the revenue. American and JAL offer reciprocal frequent-flier privileges to each other's passengers.
Arpey has said the partnership with JAL allows American to win customers away from United and Delta's Northwest Airlines unit, both of which fly from the U.S. to Tokyo.
American officials claim that JAL would suffer up to $500 million in lost revenue over two years while it switches to Delta's SkyTeam alliance. And American argues that it could win regulatory approval for even closer ties -- antitrust immunity that would let American and JAL set prices and schedules on U.S.-Tokyo flights. American claims that Delta might not win regulatory approval because a Delta-Northwest-JAL team would control more than 60 percent of the U.S.-Tokyo market.
11-09-2009, 03:11 PM
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Do you really think the company is going to go with a MOAB? Or do it slowly over a year or two?
I think the latter makes sense. It isn't just the pilots that have to move. Uprouting a bunch of airplanes would cause some pretty bitter employees. I think it would make sense to more the aircraft in installments. A little pain at a time.
I think the latter makes sense. It isn't just the pilots that have to move. Uprouting a bunch of airplanes would cause some pretty bitter employees. I think it would make sense to more the aircraft in installments. A little pain at a time.
11-09-2009, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Do you really think the company is going to go with a MOAB? Or do it slowly over a year or two?
I think the latter makes sense. It isn't just the pilots that have to move. Uprouting a bunch of airplanes would cause some pretty bitter employees. I think it would make sense to more the aircraft in installments. A little pain at a time.
I think the latter makes sense. It isn't just the pilots that have to move. Uprouting a bunch of airplanes would cause some pretty bitter employees. I think it would make sense to more the aircraft in installments. A little pain at a time.
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