Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-18-2015, 06:34 PM
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01-18-2015, 11:30 PM
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Would this be a good time to point out that you have seldom taken positions that match the overwhelming will of our pilot group?
Might also be a good time to point out that Profit Sharing is actually at-risk and variable. to claim otherwise is a noteworthy separation from reality.
Maybe you could focus your Internet energy on discussions of how we can make it less risky and with less downside variance?
Might also be a good time to point out that Profit Sharing is actually at-risk and variable. to claim otherwise is a noteworthy separation from reality.
Maybe you could focus your Internet energy on discussions of how we can make it less risky and with less downside variance?
01-19-2015, 01:19 AM
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01-19-2015, 01:38 AM
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They have been selling this at PUB events and in the crew room for almost a year.
Profit sharing is just another part of our contract. It is not hourly pay rates. As many have said, pay comes in several forms. Per diem, night pay, international over ride, min day, duty rig, trip rig, DC, Defined benefit pension, medical, etc.
Now that we are actually getting profit sharing, management and the insiders want to diminish it.
The proper response is yes we will agree to reduce profit sharing. And in return management will restore trips missed for vacation, 60% final average earnings defined benefit pensions, 75 hour hard cap, eliminate PBS and return to line bidding, zero cost medical, and the 2004 hourly rates plus full accounting for inflation.
Once again managment controls the dialogue and the goal is cost neutral. Once again a handful of insiders are working against us.
American will make over 8 BILLION in 2015. Delta will make well over 5.5 BILLION.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS?
Sick leave concessions.
Pay banding concessions.
Profit sharing reductions.
Do Richard and Ed make concessions?
Can you imagine the Delta board of directors asking Richard and Ed to make concessions in 2015?
01-19-2015, 02:43 AM
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The 320/MD 88/737 would go up to 757/767 rates.
Which in the short view looks great, but the fact is (as the reps in ATL and SLC pointed out) it reduces staffing and costs jobs.
So? Are we really getting more pay with pay banding?
ALPA is more than capable of calculating the job loss. If the survey shows the pilots desire pay banding with offsetting productivity increases then we will probably agree. Both UAL and AA do this to a larger degree than we do. Their pay bands are listed on this website.
01-19-2015, 03:59 AM
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They always slowly show their hand. First they attack and deny. Then the force and sell.
They have been selling this at PUB events and in the crew room for almost a year.
Profit sharing is just another part of our contract. It is not hourly pay rates. As many have said, pay comes in several forms. Per diem, night pay, international over ride, min day, duty rig, trip rig, DC, Defined benefit pension, medical, etc.
Now that we are actually getting profit sharing, management and the insiders want to diminish it.
The proper response is yes we will agree to reduce profit sharing. And in return management will restore trips missed for vacation, 60% final average earnings defined benefit pensions, 75 hour hard cap, eliminate PBS and return to line bidding, zero cost medical, and the 2004 hourly rates plus full accounting for inflation.
Once again managment controls the dialogue and the goal is cost neutral. Once again a handful of insiders are working against us.
American will make over 8 BILLION in 2015. Delta will make well over 5.5 BILLION.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS?
Sick leave concessions.
Pay banding concessions.
Profit sharing reductions.
Do Richard and Ed make concessions?
Can you imagine the Delta board of directors asking Richard and Ed to make concessions in 2015?
They have been selling this at PUB events and in the crew room for almost a year.
Profit sharing is just another part of our contract. It is not hourly pay rates. As many have said, pay comes in several forms. Per diem, night pay, international over ride, min day, duty rig, trip rig, DC, Defined benefit pension, medical, etc.
Now that we are actually getting profit sharing, management and the insiders want to diminish it.
The proper response is yes we will agree to reduce profit sharing. And in return management will restore trips missed for vacation, 60% final average earnings defined benefit pensions, 75 hour hard cap, eliminate PBS and return to line bidding, zero cost medical, and the 2004 hourly rates plus full accounting for inflation.
Once again managment controls the dialogue and the goal is cost neutral. Once again a handful of insiders are working against us.
American will make over 8 BILLION in 2015. Delta will make well over 5.5 BILLION.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS?
Sick leave concessions.
Pay banding concessions.
Profit sharing reductions.
Do Richard and Ed make concessions?
Can you imagine the Delta board of directors asking Richard and Ed to make concessions in 2015?
With these insiders having such a Big desire to cut pilot costs how did we go from second to last not that long ago to the top of the industry in total pilot costs in such a short time after Delta' return from the dead?
01-19-2015, 04:03 AM
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[QUOTE=gzsg;1807058]All the widebody aircraft would go up to 777 hourly rates.
The 320/MD 88/737 would go up to 757/767 rates.
Which in the short view looks great, but the fact is (as the reps in ATL and SLC pointed out) it reduces staffing and costs jobs.
So? Are we really getting more pay with pay banding?
ALPA is more than capable of calculating the job loss. If the survey shows the pilots desire pay banding with offsetting productivity increases then we will probably agree. Both UAL and AA do this to a larger degree than we do. Their pay bands are listed on this website.[/QUOTE
Did you not post that pay banding would cost us thousands of jobs just a few months ago?
The 320/MD 88/737 would go up to 757/767 rates.
Which in the short view looks great, but the fact is (as the reps in ATL and SLC pointed out) it reduces staffing and costs jobs.
So? Are we really getting more pay with pay banding?
ALPA is more than capable of calculating the job loss. If the survey shows the pilots desire pay banding with offsetting productivity increases then we will probably agree. Both UAL and AA do this to a larger degree than we do. Their pay bands are listed on this website.[/QUOTE
Did you not post that pay banding would cost us thousands of jobs just a few months ago?
01-19-2015, 04:05 AM
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01-19-2015, 04:27 AM
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I love contract negotiation season here on the "latest and greatest".... 
01-19-2015, 04:35 AM
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Every time we enter Section 6, everything is 'at risk', because the company will want to horse trade pay for manning, or pay for benefits, or pay for all of the above....and then there's profit sharing, something they didn't have to worry about when they gave it to us, in bankruptcy.
Now that it looks like it could be a pretty big pay out to us...now...they want to trade that too.
A 'pay raise' in exchange for profit sharing when the company is making BILLIONS isn't a raise at all, unless it's at a greater rate than 1:1. How about 2:1?
Now that it looks like it could be a pretty big pay out to us...now...they want to trade that too.
A 'pay raise' in exchange for profit sharing when the company is making BILLIONS isn't a raise at all, unless it's at a greater rate than 1:1. How about 2:1?
What will the profits be in 2017? We can make some reasonable assumptions, just like we make reasonable assumptions about the arrival weather in NRT. But I'm still carrying extra fuel. That's how I think.
I think it would be stupid to get rid of Profit Sharing. I like the "share the gain" concept. But I'd prefer to have most of my total compensation in pay rates that require a section 6 negotiation or a trip to the courthouse to be changed - rather than just a "weak economy" or "bad decisions".
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