Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-19-2015, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
My W2's have doubled. Post bankruptcy I made a 158 per hour. Overtime paid about 238 an hour and no extra at all in vacation or training months in most cases. Since then vacation pay is more, training pay is more. Work rules are better. Retirement is up 3%. My effective hourly rate in 14 was 253 an hour at straight rates and 506 an hour on overtime counting PS. Yes my W2's have doubled.
I don't fly high time. I fly the guarantee. I did this in 2001, 2004 and today. My w-2 isn't any better than 2004.
Oh, and while we are at it, I'm stagnated in my position due to failure to grow at the top end.
01-19-2015, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
My W2's have doubled. Post bankruptcy I made a 158 per hour. Overtime paid about 238 an hour and no extra at all in vacation or training months in most cases. Since then vacation pay is more, training pay is more. Work rules are better. Retirement is up 3%. My effective hourly rate in 14 was 253 an hour at straight rates and 506 an hour on overtime counting PS. Yes my W2's have doubled.
Originally Posted by orvil
I am on the same equipment and seat I was on in 2001. I was on same seat and equipment in 2004. I am on the very same seat and equipment in 2015. I remember my rate being around $237 an hour. Today, I am getting $216 an hour.
I don't fly high time. I fly the guarantee. I did this in 2001, 2004 and today. My w-2 isn't any better than 2004.
Oh, and while we are at it, I'm stagnated in my position due to failure to grow at the top end.
I don't fly high time. I fly the guarantee. I did this in 2001, 2004 and today. My w-2 isn't any better than 2004.
Oh, and while we are at it, I'm stagnated in my position due to failure to grow at the top end.
Originally Posted by Check Essential
Your pay has doubled? What?
OK. Wait. I think I get it. You're using DALPA math.
Change the work rules so we work 85 hours instead of 75 and call it a raise.
Geez sailing. Don't you think guys know the pay rates?
Sometimes I think you forget who your audience is.
OK. Wait. I think I get it. You're using DALPA math.
Change the work rules so we work 85 hours instead of 75 and call it a raise.
Geez sailing. Don't you think guys know the pay rates?
Sometimes I think you forget who your audience is.
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
I expect to make $19,000 less this year since I'm on the 717 and can't whor# myself out like I did when I was on the 88. Which is kind of a good thing. It's a reminder to me that QOL is first, but I sure would appreciate some better pay rates.
Originally Posted by Rudder
Sailing,
If "they" had doubled your pay, you would see a pay rate that is double. If by your actions you double your pay then your comments are inaccurate.
Am not saying there have not been improvements. There have been, but we have a long way to go.
Respectfully
If "they" had doubled your pay, you would see a pay rate that is double. If by your actions you double your pay then your comments are inaccurate.
Am not saying there have not been improvements. There have been, but we have a long way to go.
Respectfully
2010 Gross Pay + PS + 12%PS(DC) + 415c
2014 Gross Pay + PS + 15%PS(DC) + 415c
2010 = $116,385 (adjusted up to remove longevity step increase effect)
2014 = $217,065
That's an 86.5% increase over that span.
If he's going back to 2007-2008 I'm sure it is more than double.
Check... I get way more PAY hours per month even though I'm BLOCKING the same amount with the multitude of improvements from the JPWA through the FAR117 LOA.
01-19-2015, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
I agree. It is going to take a HUGE pay raise to make up for the profit sharing money and the normal raise we have coming under this next contract with record profits. If I was Delta mgmt., I would be trying to reduce the PS amount too..That is their job to get us to work for as little as possible.
One change I'd like to see is being able to use PS to fill up the bank or pay down a bank deficit.
01-19-2015, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Stagnation is a nonfactor in this discussion, and sailing is comparing post-bankruptcy to present... You went to 2004. How is your w2 from 2004 and 2007 compared to 2014?
I don't know about you guys, but I'm making nearly double what I was in 2010. I haven't changed categories or bases either.
2010 Gross Pay + PS + 12%PS(DC) + 415c
2014 Gross Pay + PS + 15%PS(DC) + 415c
2010 = $116,385 (adjusted up to remove longevity step increase effect)
2014 = $217,065
That's an 86.5% increase over that span.
If he's going back to 2007-2008 I'm sure it is more than double.
Check... I get way more PAY hours per month even though I'm BLOCKING the same amount with the multitude of improvements from the JPWA through the FAR117 LOA.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm making nearly double what I was in 2010. I haven't changed categories or bases either.
2010 Gross Pay + PS + 12%PS(DC) + 415c
2014 Gross Pay + PS + 15%PS(DC) + 415c
2010 = $116,385 (adjusted up to remove longevity step increase effect)
2014 = $217,065
That's an 86.5% increase over that span.
If he's going back to 2007-2008 I'm sure it is more than double.
Check... I get way more PAY hours per month even though I'm BLOCKING the same amount with the multitude of improvements from the JPWA through the FAR117 LOA.
Shiznit,
I see your point. We seem to be making different points. You and Sailingfun along with others are willing to accept bankruptcy as a reset.
My point is we should be using rates established in Contract 2000. I think we can all agree that Contract 2000 is the high point. To be satisfied with the gains we've made since bankruptcy is a defeatist attitude. We should be striving to meet and exceed the rates of Contract 2000. As of today, I am not exceeding those rates.
I only want to work every Wednesday
01-19-2015, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Shiznit,
I see your point. We seem to be making different points. You and Sailingfun along with others are willing to accept bankruptcy as a reset.
My point is we should be using rates established in Contract 2000. I think we can all agree that Contract 2000 is the high point. To be satisfied with the gains we've made since bankruptcy is a defeatist attitude. We should be striving to meet and exceed the rates of Contract 2000. As of today, I am not exceeding those rates.
I only want to work every Wednesday
I see your point. We seem to be making different points. You and Sailingfun along with others are willing to accept bankruptcy as a reset.
My point is we should be using rates established in Contract 2000. I think we can all agree that Contract 2000 is the high point. To be satisfied with the gains we've made since bankruptcy is a defeatist attitude. We should be striving to meet and exceed the rates of Contract 2000. As of today, I am not exceeding those rates.
I only want to work every Wednesday
That is one reason why the American situation is very important to us. If they have rates 10% above ours next JAN it's a huge help!
01-19-2015, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So I'm in the Atlanta crew room and I guess there's a bit of a alpa meet and greet and verbatim I hear: "so we ask guys, so how much of your W2 do you want tied to variable income?"
And then an emphatic explanation of why raise is better using the %s from C12 and jokingly said we've established it's for sale just how much. I was just listening in. Amused.
My point is this selling PS is much more than Internet fodder.
And then an emphatic explanation of why raise is better using the %s from C12 and jokingly said we've established it's for sale just how much. I was just listening in. Amused.
My point is this selling PS is much more than Internet fodder.
01-19-2015, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Shiznit,
I see your point. We seem to be making different points. You and Sailingfun along with others are willing to accept bankruptcy as a reset.
My point is we should be using rates established in Contract 2000. I think we can all agree that Contract 2000 is the high point. To be satisfied with the gains we've made since bankruptcy is a defeatist attitude. We should be striving to meet and exceed the rates of Contract 2000. As of today, I am not exceeding those rates.
I only want to work every Wednesday
I see your point. We seem to be making different points. You and Sailingfun along with others are willing to accept bankruptcy as a reset.
My point is we should be using rates established in Contract 2000. I think we can all agree that Contract 2000 is the high point. To be satisfied with the gains we've made since bankruptcy is a defeatist attitude. We should be striving to meet and exceed the rates of Contract 2000. As of today, I am not exceeding those rates.
I only want to work every Wednesday
Just pointing out that what has looked like small changes has added up to considerable steps to recovery...
Sailing is right, if AA passes this TA it will be a major help for us in April.
...wait, I'll have to work EVERY Wednesday?!?!?!
01-19-2015, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So Carl and Jerry, why would the Dalpa insiders want to cut their pay and benefits? I keep asking and there is never an answer.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
With these insiders having such a Big desire to cut pilot costs how did we go from second to last not that long ago to the top of the industry in total pilot costs in such a short time after Delta' return from the dead?
Carl
01-19-2015, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Answered many times. You just ignore them, then pretend nobody ever answers you. For the tenth time, the insiders do this for two reasons. First is that they don't fly the contract we fly. They use different metrics that pay them 94 plus hours based on their highest seat capability while doing so with many more days home than a line pilot. Again, they don't work under our contract the same way we do. Second, this behavior gains them great favor in management. The insiders are all of the belief that one day that phone will ring with Richard inviting them to join the team. Pathetic really.
Part of your problem is crowing about measuring success from the bottom of bankruptcy. More proof that you've accepted bankruptcy as a permanent reset. Many of us don't have your spineless attitude sailingfun. Thus the disconnect.
Carl
Part of your problem is crowing about measuring success from the bottom of bankruptcy. More proof that you've accepted bankruptcy as a permanent reset. Many of us don't have your spineless attitude sailingfun. Thus the disconnect.
Carl
Carl, how many have moved over to the company side verses how many have gone back to the line? How many have been offered a job on the management side and turned it down?
As far as work I have known many reps. I would never consider the job because I am far two lazy and don't want to take a pay cut to their level. They work harder then you or I ever will! Their pay is still tied to our contractual rates. Your answer makes no sense.
01-19-2015, 05:03 PM
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American's fuel expense is down $8 BILLION in 2015. $3.22 to $1.41 and sinking.
At $3.22 they easily made $4 BILLION.
Will the make $12 billion this year? Maybe not, but I think they will make $8 billion without breaking a sweat.
Why will Delta management press for an early deal with us? By the Q2 earning announcements in late July, it will be quite obvious these numbers are real.
IMO Delta will make $6 billion in 2015. $8 billion plus if not for the hedging issue.
At $3.22 they easily made $4 BILLION.
Will the make $12 billion this year? Maybe not, but I think they will make $8 billion without breaking a sweat.
Why will Delta management press for an early deal with us? By the Q2 earning announcements in late July, it will be quite obvious these numbers are real.
IMO Delta will make $6 billion in 2015. $8 billion plus if not for the hedging issue.
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