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11-21-2015 | 06:47 AM
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My wife made me shave Thursday for an event she dragged me to, so I'm sure I'm screwed and they will call soon
11-21-2015 | 07:48 AM
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11-21-2015 | 12:48 PM
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I should probably know this, but I don't.
I was put on 30 hours of rest (for reserve) from 1530 today - 2130 tomorrow. I revert to long call at 2130 tomorrow, so is the earliest they can give me a trip 12 hours after that?
Basically, am I required to make a schedule check (like last X day) 9 hours prior to the end of my rest period?
Thanks.
I was put on 30 hours of rest (for reserve) from 1530 today - 2130 tomorrow. I revert to long call at 2130 tomorrow, so is the earliest they can give me a trip 12 hours after that?
Basically, am I required to make a schedule check (like last X day) 9 hours prior to the end of my rest period?
Thanks.
11-21-2015 | 04:33 PM
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I should probably know this, but I don't.
I was put on 30 hours of rest (for reserve) from 1530 today - 2130 tomorrow. I revert to long call at 2130 tomorrow, so is the earliest they can give me a trip 12 hours after that?
Basically, am I required to make a schedule check (like last X day) 9 hours prior to the end of my rest period?
Thanks.
I was put on 30 hours of rest (for reserve) from 1530 today - 2130 tomorrow. I revert to long call at 2130 tomorrow, so is the earliest they can give me a trip 12 hours after that?
Basically, am I required to make a schedule check (like last X day) 9 hours prior to the end of my rest period?
Thanks.
At the end of the rest period you simply go on long call.
The exception is if you have been notified of an assignment PRIOR to the start of your rest period.
ie= They can assign you 30 hours of rest with a report for a trip or start of short call one minute after your rest ends -- but they have to notify you before the rest period begins.
Also be careful of 6 hours assigned rest followed by a single X day. That's often how they handle single X days. ie= Assigned rest from 6 PM to midnight on Tuesday when Wednesday is an X day.
In that case you are getting your legal 30 hour break but you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".
11-21-2015 | 06:56 PM
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You have no obligation to check your schedule during assigned rest.
At the end of the rest period you simply go on long call.
The exception is if you have been notified of an assignment PRIOR to the start of your rest period.
ie= They can assign you 30 hours of rest with a report for a trip or start of short call one minute after your rest ends -- but they have to notify you before the rest period begins.
Also be careful of 6 hours assigned rest followed by a single X day. That's often how they handle single X days. ie= Assigned rest from 6 PM to midnight on Tuesday when Wednesday is an X day.
In that case you are getting your legal 30 hour break but you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".
At the end of the rest period you simply go on long call.
The exception is if you have been notified of an assignment PRIOR to the start of your rest period.
ie= They can assign you 30 hours of rest with a report for a trip or start of short call one minute after your rest ends -- but they have to notify you before the rest period begins.
Also be careful of 6 hours assigned rest followed by a single X day. That's often how they handle single X days. ie= Assigned rest from 6 PM to midnight on Tuesday when Wednesday is an X day.
In that case you are getting your legal 30 hour break but you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".
11-21-2015 | 08:00 PM
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Or pull 5 hours out of the bank to get within 1 hour. It's a much better way to get close to the trigger. All but one hour is paid as a GS and you don't have to work yourself to death. You can even go negative in your bank balance to hit the trigger.
11-21-2015 | 08:44 PM
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You have no obligation to check your schedule during assigned rest.
At the end of the rest period you simply go on long call.
The exception is if you have been notified of an assignment PRIOR to the start of your rest period.
ie= They can assign you 30 hours of rest with a report for a trip or start of short call one minute after your rest ends -- but they have to notify you before the rest period begins.
Also be careful of 6 hours assigned rest followed by a single X day. That's often how they handle single X days. ie= Assigned rest from 6 PM to midnight on Tuesday when Wednesday is an X day.
In that case you are getting your legal 30 hour break but you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".
At the end of the rest period you simply go on long call.
The exception is if you have been notified of an assignment PRIOR to the start of your rest period.
ie= They can assign you 30 hours of rest with a report for a trip or start of short call one minute after your rest ends -- but they have to notify you before the rest period begins.
Also be careful of 6 hours assigned rest followed by a single X day. That's often how they handle single X days. ie= Assigned rest from 6 PM to midnight on Tuesday when Wednesday is an X day.
In that case you are getting your legal 30 hour break but you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".
11-21-2015 | 10:08 PM
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I actually had this exact same scenario yesterday. I had a 9 day reserve stretch. Converted to short call on the first 4 days and then left on LC for day 5. Converted to SC on day 6 and then put into a 30 hour rest (that they notified me about). 16 hours into my 30 hour rest, they put a trip on my line that reported 8.5 hours after I started LC again. I called ALPA scheduling to ask if this was ok. The short answer was "yes...the 30-hour rest period is treated like your last X-day prior to a reserve period. So as long as they have the trip on your line 9 hours prior to when you go back on LC, then it is a legal assignment." Take it for what it's worth, but I just fought that monkey yesterday.
117 rest requires you to be free from all constraint during rest so I'm trying to figure out how you can legally report for that assignment unless going into the 30 hours of rest, you already know about it being there, or your requirement to assume it will be there.
In this situation, it almost seems like you aren't really on long call until within 9 hours prior to going on long call and you have to assume an assignment could exist right after that rest period is over.
11-22-2015 | 03:45 AM
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I actually had this exact same scenario yesterday. I had a 9 day reserve stretch. Converted to short call on the first 4 days and then left on LC for day 5. Converted to SC on day 6 and then put into a 30 hour rest (that they notified me about). 16 hours into my 30 hour rest, they put a trip on my line that reported 8.5 hours after I started LC again. I called ALPA scheduling to ask if this was ok. The short answer was "yes...the 30-hour rest period is treated like your last X-day prior to a reserve period. So as long as they have the trip on your line 9 hours prior to when you go back on LC, then it is a legal assignment." Take it for what it's worth, but I just fought that monkey yesterday.
Check out these FAA "interpretations":
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
and page 14176 of this one:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rification.pdf
ii. Requirement To Perform a Task
During a Rest Period
A4A and ALPA asked whether
carriers could require a pilot to check a
calendar, text, or email during a rest
period. AE asked whether a pilot could
check the schedule/calendar voluntarily
during a rest period.
During a rest period, a crewmember
must be free from all restraint by the
certificate holder.
38 If a crewmember is
required to do something by the
certificate holder, then that
crewmember is not free from all
restraint, and that crewmember is not on
a valid rest period. Accordingly, a
certificate holder cannot require a
flightcrew member to perform any tasks
during a rest period, including tasks
such as checking the schedule/calendar,
checking a text message, or checking an
email message.
However, if a flightcrew member
performs a task of his/her own volition
without being required to perform the
task by the certificate holder, then that
task is not a restraint imposed by the
certificate holder. Thus, it is permissible
for a flightcrew member to voluntarily
decide to check the schedule/calendar
during his or her rest period. We
emphasize, however, that a flightcrew
member’s decision to perform a task
during a rest period must be entirely
voluntary.The way I understand our rule for the "9 hour prior" check is that Delta got around these interpretations on an X day when we dropped the requirement for reserves to acknowledge assignments.
That's the whole reason our reserve "acknowledgements" went away. To get around this rule on a last X day that is part of a 30 hour break.
But - Our contractual requirement to perform this check only applies to a "last X day" and NOT to an assigned rest period.
Interpretations Associated with 14 CFR Part 117
11-22-2015 | 03:51 AM
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Correct me on this one if I understand you correctly, but doesn't that schedule check on your last off day have to be voluntary to meet a 30 hour rest reset? When you say "you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".", That sounds like that would invalidate the 30/168 reset if that were the case, no?
Seems shaky to me too but the FAA apparently bought off on it. An X day is treated different than assigned rest.
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