Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

I still wish we could do a couple of practice bids. With bidding in Atlanta expected to be "brutal" it would be good to gain as much insight as possible into the bid results before committing to a plan of action.

Can anyone fill in the details of "brutal" ? Unless they displace off the 767 I would expect that the increased utilization of the f-NWA jets would result in entitlements rather than displacements.

Originally Posted by Ferd149

I'm watching the Asia flying, if it goes to LAX I guess I'll follow it there. Now if it goes to the 737? Also, I wonder what will hold an A320A in Salt Lake? Will the senior SLC guys bid that to keep from commutting or will they follow their jets. Also, what will the MSP guys do? Geeze, this all makes my head explode..............

Also, someone asked about why the APA system reduced stress. It reduced stress because you could sit and watch what was going on for a couple of months (because it came out every month). Now, you have to make some decisions based on incomplete information so you won't be waiting till maybe 6 to 8 months from now.

Ferd

Originally Posted by scambo1

I think I would define "brutal" as any bid where you have widebody displacements. The ripple effect of just moving the 10 765's to JFK is an atom bomb. When you throw in the 777's, just duck and cover.

It'll figratively be like the ardennes forest with trees exploding. Junior guys holding decent equipment will feel like Muck and Pincala in Band of Brothers.

Brutal.

Originally Posted by crazypilot

Also anyone know if the 7er will shrink in nyc??? since the 765 is coming up!! also will the domestic flights go back to atl or are they here to stay in nyc??

I agree with you Fred, my last place of work had bids every month so you could watch and not make a rushed decision!!! that would be nice to have here instead of only every 6 months or so.

with such big changes I smell the 88 or 9 in my future!!! school house here I come (really not wanting it)

Originally Posted by tsquare

Only if SOC happens first.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Speaking of Boeing, with them talking about Guam, doesn't that mean 73N flying is coming out of the domestic system? What 73N base is supposed to bear the brunt of it?

Originally Posted by Dash8widget

I would bet that vast majority of the SLC based guys will make every attempt to stay in SLC. I've flown with a couple of MD captains who said they would go back to he 767B to stay in SLC. I also flew with one senior captain (a DFW commuter) who is planning on bidding the 320 in MEM. I don't know anyone who loves the MD enough to follow it to MSP.

I've also talked to a few MSP 320 guys who are chomping at the bit to move to SLC.....I guess we will see

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Heyas,

Management will move with lightning speed to move people into lower paying positions for furlough or whatever other reason when it suits their need.


Can someone please explain this concept to me? I know there is no "real" talk of furlough right now...but...I've seen this written on here and have never understood the logic behind it. Why does it matter if people are moved to "Lower paying positions"? Everything is based on seniority during a furlough. The junior guy goes first and then the rest follow. I just cant wrap my mind around this concept of moving people into "lower paying positions"

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The AE system would not slow a furlough compared to the monthly system. The company can post a AE every two weeks if they want. In fact in more normal times we saw a 4 major AE each year and normally one cleanup AE after each quarterly bid so there would be a total of 8 per year or near monthly. The AE's have stopped because of the merger and the desire of the company to minimize training. They know a lot of pilots are going to want to switch bases. The company actually tried to get the union to agree to joint system wide bids prior to SOC with conversions to happen only after SOC. This was turned down by the union and the company was forced to abide by the transition agreement. That is why there huge rush to get SOC done. They know they are going to be short pilots this summer and want to get as much training done this winter as possible and then get everyone out of the school house and flying the line in the summer. That is also why many of the planned changes will be put off until the fall.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Sailing,

Thanks. I did not realize the WB flying leaving Atlanta was not going to be backfilled. For those of us who are going to be displaced into commuting a practice ( or monthly award ) would be a whole lot better for planning. Even if the plans involve trying to get a leave to work somewhere else (locally).

As you point out Compass positions are no different than any other positions, "pilots in seats" to our management. I sure wish we had those bidding options and the protection of our MEC when we got there.

Have you ever commuted to reserve? Throw in a new kid and an active side business and it's just miserable. Here's to hoping that like most things in this business the bad news is exaggerated. (as opposed to sitting here at home on Long Call while the wifey plays our grand piano in between preparations for a feast which in all ways is a totally fantastic way to make a living ! )

Management had said the total number of pilot positions in ATL was going to grow (some time ago). So is this off due to the inability to train and backfill on f-NWA equipment? Does anyone know the total number of jobs leaving ATL?

For we junior guys, this GREAT job started to smell like low tide about the time when Jim Whitehurst left the building. The best news I ever heard is that this merger wasn't happening at the C44 meeting. Could I get a tape of that to play, just to make me feel better?