Just found out some of my crash pad roomies (NYC 73 FO new hires) that were awarded conversions to other 73 domiciles from the Jan AE are getting their conversions delayed.

Currently two of them were supposed to convert to SEA in May, but when their PBS still showed NYC for their May bidding, they called Crew Resources and were told they had been punted to June for the time being.

How long can the company keep slipping them?

There has not been a lot of NYC 73's dropped to new hires in the last few months....manning issue?

 

The company did not punt them. The projected training and conversion list is just that it’s a projection. Years ago they never put one out because if it changed they got a million calls and angry pilots.
It’s just a guide to give some idea of what to expect.
The conversion window is posted with each bid. Rules for order of conversion are in the contract.

 

Sailingfun can correct us if this is mistaken, but the company can fill positions not posted, especially when there are displacements.

Same law applies: bid what you want, want what you bid.

It isn't nice to displace off of airplanes and then massage the numbers to make it most efficient for the company, but everyone drug "constructive engagement" out by the blast fence, beat the stuff out of it, and left it for dead. Then a paving crew failed to see the body there and it's buried under 30 feet of steel reinforced concrete and was only rumored to have ever existed.

From a labor relations perspective, we are Northwest Airlines without Doug Steenland's penchant for candor.

 

Copy Projection.

I know planned conversion window is posted when AE results are posted (normally 6 months window, can be 12 aka MOAB), but I "heard" that there were folks from the MOAB that did not convert inside the 12 month window.

All I found in the PWA about going over the conversion date was "should be trained ASAP".....so 1 month, 6.9 months?

Can the company punt folks indefinitely past the published 6 month conversion window?

 

Your conversion date can slide inside of the posted conversion window, however the conversion window does not slide. So if, at the end of the conversion window, you still haven't been trained then you stay at home as non qualified and get paid a pro rata portion of the ALV for each day at your new aircraft rate until you go to training.

 

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Copy that.

Crash pad roomies are just moving from one 73 base to another 73 base.....can the company keep them in NYC longer than the end of the published 6 month conversion window?

 

The company must convert them inside the 210 day window unless they reach a agreement by mutual consent between the company and individual pilot to extend the time.
As far as pilots not converted in the MOAB conversion window it’s not yet over so that has not happened.

 

This post is more about the demise of "constructive engagement" than anything else. Well, let me give you a perspective from a line puke who has been here thru the entire span of "constructive engagement."

When it first started under LM I was all for it. Something needed to be done and, IMO, it was the right strategy at the right time. It worked well for quite awhile. The problem is that, over time, instead of a two way street, it became a oneway street (from a line pilots perspective). It just seems like, for the past few years, Dalpa has bent over backwards to solve a lot of managements problems with solutions that had/have a negative impact on the pilot group and received little in return. Or at least nothing of like value.

Even though I disagree with a lot of rhetoric from the just say no crowd, they do have one valid point. This IS the most profitable time in Airline history, especially for Delta. I'm pretty sure the average line pilot realizes this and wants a bigger piece of the pie that the company is VERY unwilling to give. I don't believe the previous MEC make up would fight for the pilot group. I base this judgment on TA-1 being sent out for ratification. To get what we want/deserve, well, it's gonna be a fight. I don't retire until towards the end of 2023. I suspect I have voted on my last contract. So be it.

Denny

 

Denny,

Exactly, the last contract was sent out for ratification. The MEC itself voted it down 3 times (4 if the initial HECK NO counts). The MEC did not recommend it.

At the time the pilots were clamoring to see the thing. Richard Anderson said he was going to pull the deal off the table and offer less. Did the pilots deserve the right to see it before Richard Anderson's threat expired?

The thought was, if the pilots turned it down the voice of the pilots would be more persuasive than just the 19 member MEC.

Now, the MEC Admin believed Richard Anderson would make good on his threats and they DID push ratification.

The pilots did not make the distinction between the Reps and the Admin.

Richard Anderson broke constructive engagement because in his view it always worked out better for the pilots. In any event he did not want our costs higher than United & American.

Of course at the time who knew United would use our rejected TA to leapfrog us and since they did not have profit sharing (to speak of), profit sharing was not an issue. Richard left and we patterned off United who had patterned off of our non-existent rejected TA.

Who knew?

Worked out. A festivus miracle if ever I saw one.

 

The problem is the fact that the MEC sold TA1 hard. “Best we can get” and “PEB!!!!!!!!!!!” come to mind.

It’s difficult to make the argument that they wanted to “let the membership vote it down to send a message to RA.”