Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-11-2018 | 10:41 AM
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If you think the chit chatters are here in full force, you are grossly mistaken. That coupled with your other comments are pretty darn telling.
Most of us are staunchly moderate (get it?) and just want people (management and ALPA) to do right and not blow sunshine up our skirts or pee on our leg and blame it on the weather.
Most of us are staunchly moderate (get it?) and just want people (management and ALPA) to do right and not blow sunshine up our skirts or pee on our leg and blame it on the weather.
04-11-2018 | 10:43 AM
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What I find truly funny is people trying to explain everything like there is a simple answer and only one perspective.
You tout recalls as if that is justification for something. So if I have it correctly, the whole of ATL LEC was recalled and the hard liners put in place. After TA2 there was a rift between the CA reps and the FO reps....I don't understand that since they were put into office for ostensibly the same reason...my how fickle times can be and how quickly views change.....or better yet maybe you can explain to me...
How in hell can Malone who was brought in to fix the debacle of TA1 and did so by bringing in arguably the best contract ever(at least by voting standards and would probably be even better today) got ousted? Can you spell FICKLE? It is truly human nature....grass is always greener to
That is unfrikking believable...I attribute it to no matter how good things are, there are people who want the power and they throw out platitudes and "what if's" and armchair quarterback and use the perfect knowledge of history to point out "shoulda, woulda, coulda's. Some of the gullible eat it up.
So now..
The new "tough regime change" brings in virtual bases? If any of the old guard had done this I can only imagine the hew and cry. Plenty of people with opinions about VB but no spear chukking at the "leaders " that let it come to fruition, but plenty of **** and vinegar about the VB in general. Isn't that what you all are clamoring for ? The MEC should "protect "us, isn't that the argument..
So the old guard let us decide on TA1 and the the new "hard liners" do what? Oh, they let us decide on VB. Shouldn't they have just shut it down like you are suggesting about TA1? So what is it, can't have it both ways....unless it is all politics?
I don't know any of the players here but it seems pretty apparent that some of the "chit chat" crowd is here and alive and well....there is no middle ground, only "my way or the highway"
You all carry on...I'll resume my lurking
Cheers
You tout recalls as if that is justification for something. So if I have it correctly, the whole of ATL LEC was recalled and the hard liners put in place. After TA2 there was a rift between the CA reps and the FO reps....I don't understand that since they were put into office for ostensibly the same reason...my how fickle times can be and how quickly views change.....or better yet maybe you can explain to me...
How in hell can Malone who was brought in to fix the debacle of TA1 and did so by bringing in arguably the best contract ever(at least by voting standards and would probably be even better today) got ousted? Can you spell FICKLE? It is truly human nature....grass is always greener to
That is unfrikking believable...I attribute it to no matter how good things are, there are people who want the power and they throw out platitudes and "what if's" and armchair quarterback and use the perfect knowledge of history to point out "shoulda, woulda, coulda's. Some of the gullible eat it up.
So now..
The new "tough regime change" brings in virtual bases? If any of the old guard had done this I can only imagine the hew and cry. Plenty of people with opinions about VB but no spear chukking at the "leaders " that let it come to fruition, but plenty of **** and vinegar about the VB in general. Isn't that what you all are clamoring for ? The MEC should "protect "us, isn't that the argument..
So the old guard let us decide on TA1 and the the new "hard liners" do what? Oh, they let us decide on VB. Shouldn't they have just shut it down like you are suggesting about TA1? So what is it, can't have it both ways....unless it is all politics?
I don't know any of the players here but it seems pretty apparent that some of the "chit chat" crowd is here and alive and well....there is no middle ground, only "my way or the highway"
You all carry on...I'll resume my lurking
Cheers
"Simple answer and only one perspective?"
I guess you missed it when I said the whole thing was subjective.
Seems like you are looking to disagree with people who do not necessarily disagree with you.
Plenty of opinions, here is mine:
DALPA was dead wrong on TA-1.
The militant vote no on everything group we're just as wrong on TA-2.
It is pretty obvious who has an agenda - The DALPA can do no wrong crowd trying to revise the TA-1 history and the vote no on everything and hold our breath crowd that derides TA-2 and openly ridicules 82% of our then Pilot group.
Both are easy to spot on the forums. I have a lot of faith in average Line Pilot that didn't buy the sales job on TA-1 and did not buy into the we can can get whatever we want by simply demanding it on TA-2.
Fortunately the wisdom of the line pilots was spot on both times.😁
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 04-11-2018 at 11:20 AM.
04-11-2018 | 12:15 PM
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"Simple answer and only one perspective?"
I guess you missed it when I said the whole thing was subjective.
Seems like you are looking to disagree with people who do not necessarily disagree with you.
Plenty of opinions, here is mine:
DALPA was dead wrong on TA-1.
The militant vote no on everything group we're just as wrong on TA-2.
It is pretty obvious who has an agenda - The DALPA can do no wrong crowd trying to revise the TA-1 history and the vote no on everything and hold our breath crowd that derides TA-2 and openly ridicules 82% of our then Pilot group.
Both are easy to spot on the forums. I have a lot of faith in average Line Pilot that didn't buy the sales job on TA-1 and did not buy into the we can can get whatever we want by simply demanding it on TA-2.
Fortunately the wisdom of the line pilots was spot on both times.😁
Scoop
I guess you missed it when I said the whole thing was subjective.
Seems like you are looking to disagree with people who do not necessarily disagree with you.
Plenty of opinions, here is mine:
DALPA was dead wrong on TA-1.
The militant vote no on everything group we're just as wrong on TA-2.
It is pretty obvious who has an agenda - The DALPA can do no wrong crowd trying to revise the TA-1 history and the vote no on everything and hold our breath crowd that derides TA-2 and openly ridicules 82% of our then Pilot group.
Both are easy to spot on the forums. I have a lot of faith in average Line Pilot that didn't buy the sales job on TA-1 and did not buy into the we can can get whatever we want by simply demanding it on TA-2.
Fortunately the wisdom of the line pilots was spot on both times.😁
Scoop
04-11-2018 | 02:23 PM
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What I find truly funny is people trying to explain everything like there is a simple answer and only one perspective.
You tout recalls as if that is justification for something. So if I have it correctly, the whole of ATL LEC was recalled and the hard liners put in place. After TA2 there was a rift between the CA reps and the FO reps....I don't understand that since they were put into office for ostensibly the same reason...my how fickle times can be and how quickly views change.....or better yet maybe you can explain to me...
How in hell can Malone who was brought in to fix the debacle of TA1 and did so by bringing in arguably the best contract ever(at least by voting standards and would probably be even better today) got ousted? Can you spell FICKLE? It is truly human nature....grass is always greener
That is unfrikking believable...I attribute it to no matter how good things are, there are people who want the power and they throw out platitudes and "what if's" and armchair quarterback and use the perfect knowledge of history to point out "shoulda, woulda, coulda's. Some of the gullible eat it up.
So now..
The new "tough regime change" brings in virtual bases? If any of the old guard had done this I can only imagine the hew and cry. Plenty of people with opinions about VB but no spear chukking at the "leaders " that let it come to fruition, but plenty of **** and vinegar about the VB in general. Isn't that what you all are clamoring for ? The MEC should "protect "us, isn't that the argument..
So the old guard let us decide on TA1 and the the new "hard liners" do what? Oh, they let us decide on VB. Shouldn't they have just shut it down like you are suggesting about TA1? So what is it, can't have it both ways....unless it is all politics?
I don't know any of the players here but it seems pretty apparent that some of the "chit chat" crowd is here and alive and well....there is no middle ground, only "my way or the highway"
You all carry on...I'll resume my lurking
Cheers
You tout recalls as if that is justification for something. So if I have it correctly, the whole of ATL LEC was recalled and the hard liners put in place. After TA2 there was a rift between the CA reps and the FO reps....I don't understand that since they were put into office for ostensibly the same reason...my how fickle times can be and how quickly views change.....or better yet maybe you can explain to me...
How in hell can Malone who was brought in to fix the debacle of TA1 and did so by bringing in arguably the best contract ever(at least by voting standards and would probably be even better today) got ousted? Can you spell FICKLE? It is truly human nature....grass is always greener
That is unfrikking believable...I attribute it to no matter how good things are, there are people who want the power and they throw out platitudes and "what if's" and armchair quarterback and use the perfect knowledge of history to point out "shoulda, woulda, coulda's. Some of the gullible eat it up.
So now..
The new "tough regime change" brings in virtual bases? If any of the old guard had done this I can only imagine the hew and cry. Plenty of people with opinions about VB but no spear chukking at the "leaders " that let it come to fruition, but plenty of **** and vinegar about the VB in general. Isn't that what you all are clamoring for ? The MEC should "protect "us, isn't that the argument..
So the old guard let us decide on TA1 and the the new "hard liners" do what? Oh, they let us decide on VB. Shouldn't they have just shut it down like you are suggesting about TA1? So what is it, can't have it both ways....unless it is all politics?
I don't know any of the players here but it seems pretty apparent that some of the "chit chat" crowd is here and alive and well....there is no middle ground, only "my way or the highway"
You all carry on...I'll resume my lurking
Cheers
Your straw man argument is telling. It seems you’re offended a bit too much. I don’t see any evidence of guys *****ing that the grass is greener somewhere else. They disagreed with the MEC that we should accept the company’s offer and brought in new reps that were more aligned with their thinking. Completely reasonable. Folks don’t agree with Bar’s version of what happened because it’s not what happened.
Reasonable.
04-11-2018 | 08:57 PM
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Raging,
You say reasonable, but as I point try to point out, maybe yes , maybe no.
Bar(who ever he is) quoted a factual council communique that was less than underwhelming as far as support of TA1. I have no straw man argument and am not offended(I voted NO). Guys do think the grass is greener somewhere else as evidenced by the recalls(until the recalls split in ATL post TA1 (Capt and FO), and until they voted out Malone post TA2). The new regime is no diff than the old....they are not protecting us from shinola.....we don't need protecting....WE ARE smart and get to vote......OH wait....except for the the VB scenario....that was where we needed protection because we don't get to vote up/down....and in the end the "hard liners" totally caved(that is tongue in cheek, I actually believe they let the scenario play out no diff than previous admin) what I am trying to get across is...."same ole, same ole"
Like I said, Bar quotes a fact that was an underwhelming endorsement by a council, MSP,( a quote that is indisputable) and you want to paint it as a total , unequivocal sales job. You and others state opinions that may be totally right , may be partially right , or may be totally propaganda. (as a point of ref, I am not at an ALPA votunteer, LEC/MEC member and have only attended 3 ALPA meetings in my 32 year DALPA career)
In other words , the new is NO different than the old. Same ole same ole.
Now , no shiznit ,......Carry on....back to flying the line for me after too many days off and being bored and sucked into all this ridiculousness.
If you can give me a rational explanation of the Malone ouster and the split in ATL post TA2 I might think all this postmortem useful....otherwise, it is what it is....just more pilot b@tching and thumping of chests.
Please, I implore someone with rational logic, to answer those two connundrums
You say reasonable, but as I point try to point out, maybe yes , maybe no.
Bar(who ever he is) quoted a factual council communique that was less than underwhelming as far as support of TA1. I have no straw man argument and am not offended(I voted NO). Guys do think the grass is greener somewhere else as evidenced by the recalls(until the recalls split in ATL post TA1 (Capt and FO), and until they voted out Malone post TA2). The new regime is no diff than the old....they are not protecting us from shinola.....we don't need protecting....WE ARE smart and get to vote......OH wait....except for the the VB scenario....that was where we needed protection because we don't get to vote up/down....and in the end the "hard liners" totally caved(that is tongue in cheek, I actually believe they let the scenario play out no diff than previous admin) what I am trying to get across is...."same ole, same ole"
Like I said, Bar quotes a fact that was an underwhelming endorsement by a council, MSP,( a quote that is indisputable) and you want to paint it as a total , unequivocal sales job. You and others state opinions that may be totally right , may be partially right , or may be totally propaganda. (as a point of ref, I am not at an ALPA votunteer, LEC/MEC member and have only attended 3 ALPA meetings in my 32 year DALPA career)
In other words , the new is NO different than the old. Same ole same ole.
Now , no shiznit ,......Carry on....back to flying the line for me after too many days off and being bored and sucked into all this ridiculousness.
If you can give me a rational explanation of the Malone ouster and the split in ATL post TA2 I might think all this postmortem useful....otherwise, it is what it is....just more pilot b@tching and thumping of chests.
Please, I implore someone with rational logic, to answer those two connundrums
04-12-2018 | 04:51 AM
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What is the price for our surface? Could not find it on delta net .
04-12-2018 | 04:51 AM
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Not sure I can count the red herrings you have thrown out.
That being said I agree it is pretty much same ole, same ole.
That being said I agree it is pretty much same ole, same ole.
04-12-2018 | 05:09 AM
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04-12-2018 | 05:37 AM
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The rejection is all that matters TA1 was so bad, it set a new, never before event. Delta pilots rejected a TA.
Let that sink in.
BTW the eloquent one on the You tube vid was brought in from national where he was the national strike preparation chairman. He didn't look prepared to me, in fact he looked scared. Very scared his legacy was crumbling before his eyes as he watches the group learn the real deal he cut. And the non-release of the grievance settlement prior was all part of it. Several times the communication was that an agreement was reached on the scope violation but they would not release the details until after the vote. He sold us all out.
Let that sink in.
BTW the eloquent one on the You tube vid was brought in from national where he was the national strike preparation chairman. He didn't look prepared to me, in fact he looked scared. Very scared his legacy was crumbling before his eyes as he watches the group learn the real deal he cut. And the non-release of the grievance settlement prior was all part of it. Several times the communication was that an agreement was reached on the scope violation but they would not release the details until after the vote. He sold us all out.
04-12-2018 | 06:02 AM
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FCO is like other Delta stations. You should be able to see the standby list, they upgrade like normal. My Dad just came out of FCO last week and it went normally. The only reason AMS and CDG are different is that they use KLM / Air France computer system to clear people instead of DeltaMatic. as I understand it, the systems sync, but not in realtime.
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