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Old 01-31-2019 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
We have no facts that this even happened. There’s the problem. The final day update for the MEC meeting is missing and no information has been disseminated. That aside, I can guarantee there was alcohol available at the suite. I can also guarantee that private setting as opposed to a public lounge or bar contributed to the situation. I’m through paying for a booze lounge were grown adults act like children and then try to shield their actions from scrutiny.

Resolution upcoming. I’ll post when I finish it for others to copy or use. Any feedback on the language etc. will be welcomed.
C44 brought a resolution to end or limit the hospitality suite when they started their term 3 years ago. It was was met with a lot of pushback and nothing was ever done. The MC proposed limits later on in his term (after a few reps repeatedly had to “apologize” about their words or behaviors the previous night.) Again, it was met with a lot of pushback...

If the facts of this situation are as advertised, then it may be the catalyst that actually gets the MEC on board with change.
Old 01-31-2019 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ATL7ER
I understand that, but as we were talking about APD holiday's, 23.I.10 says that the only drop that may be denied regardless of reserve coverage if it falls on a holiday, is a APD. A personal drop is not affected by the holiday restriction, only an authorized personal drop. His PD success/failure on Sunday will be a function of the formula you referred to, not due to APD holidays, since it's not an APD. Thats my only point.

I see where we disconnected. It was a typo re the APD vs. PD. Per the OP, the day of his trip is negative, so a PD won't work, anyway. I'll edit my post to correct PD >> APD. Sorry for the confusion. [EDIT: Apparently, I won't edit my post, since there's now a 45 minute limit to that??]



Meanwhile, the OP's question was about SWP, which is affected by the language in 23.V.5.b.--and which probably won't work, because of the APD Holiday language.
Old 01-31-2019 | 09:09 AM
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Thanks for the input everyone. Swapped worked even after scheduling said it wouldn’t go through.... Thanks for the help as always.
Old 01-31-2019 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
I see where we disconnected. It was a typo re the APD vs. PD. Per the OP, the day of his trip is negative, so a PD won't work, anyway. I'll edit my post to correct PD >> APD. Sorry for the confusion. [EDIT: Apparently, I won't edit my post, since there's now a 45 minute limit to that??]



Meanwhile, the OP's question was about SWP, which is affected by the language in 23.V.5.b.--and which probably won't work, because of the APD Holiday language.
SWP doesn't have anything to do with APDs, if the day is green the day is green. In his case he wasn't adding a duty period on the day that wasn't green, he was swapping out duty periods and dropping them on green days. That's all the system looks at.
Old 01-31-2019 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
SWP doesn't have anything to do with APDs, if the day is green the day is green. In his case he wasn't adding a duty period on the day that wasn't green, he was swapping out duty periods and dropping them on green days. That's all the system looks at.
That’s what I was trying to tell scheduling, but they said sorry it won’t work. Good thing I didn’t listen and tried anyway.
Old 01-31-2019 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RightSide
That’s what I was trying to tell scheduling, but they said sorry it won’t work. Good thing I didn’t listen and tried anyway.
Unless you are talking with a supervisor the information you get is not to be trusted!
Old 01-31-2019 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
We have no facts that this even happened.
It happened. He was suspended today & a Warrent for his arrest was issued.
Old 01-31-2019 | 04:59 PM
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Council __ resolution


Subject: Resolution to limit hospitality suite spending and end alcohol service by DALPA


Whereas, DALPA has a fiduciary responsibility to the membership which has been in the opinion of this council NOT been upheld.

Whereas, more transparency and better stewardship of DALPA funds provided by the membership in the form of dues is needed, evidenced by hospitality suites costs DALPA has incurred during the 2018 ALPA board of directors meeting. (in excess of $170,000)

Whereas, alcohol is suspected to have lead to behavior that is embarrassing to the organization and detrimental to the reputation of DALPA and its pilot members.

Whereas, the damage to the reputation of DALPA will impair its ability to negotiate improvements to the pilot working agreement and could limit earnings or preclude enhancements to the working conditions.

Whereas, DALPA may be held liable for damages or injuries as the result of providing alcohol to persons involved in DUI, assault or other harmful actions.

Whereas, the purpose of DALPA meetings is to conduct the business of the association, not to provide entertainment and leisure to the MEC and the administration.

Whereas, Unimpaired thinking and professional behavior is expected of pilot representatives when conducting the business of the pilot group.



Therefore be it resolved, the standards of alcohol consumption while doing DALPA business be the same as is expected of pilots performing company duties.

And be it further resolved, that DALPA will not purchase or reimburse the purchase of alcohol or other intoxicants.

And be it further resolved, that hospitality suites be limited to providing food only and permit for a predetermined 4 hour period individual members to consume individually purchased alcoholic beverages.

And be it further resolved, an annual accounting of hospitality suite expenses including all items and services purchased for the purpose of furnishing said suites be published to the membership. And that any exceedance of authorized funds be accounted for and approved by the MEC as a body and not by a single officer.

And be it further resolved, if these resolutions require changes to any governing policy be it known that this resolution is intent of this council to make these changes.
Old 01-31-2019 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Unless you are talking with a supervisor the information you get is not to be trusted!
Supervisors aren't (apparently) what they used to be. The one I talked to most recently didn't understand the contract and was not helpful resolving a pay issue. I'm told that many supervisors are still rather inexperienced.
Old 01-31-2019 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Council __ resolution...

Therefore be it resolved, the standards of alcohol consumption while doing DALPA business be reasonable and prudent.
[A pilot on company duty would be expected to blow 0.0% bac. Dalpa business is not always during “business hours”. How could you on one hand permit a cash bar at a hospitality suite where dalpa business is discussed in an informal setting, and then on the other expect no consumption?]

And be it further resolved, that DALPA will not purchase or reimburse the purchase of alcohol or other intoxicants.

And be it further resolved, that hospitality suites be limited to providing food only and permit for a predetermined at most 4 hour period individual members to consume individually purchased alcoholic beverages.
May I suggest these changes?
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