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Originally Posted by FL370esq
(Post 3133115)
Apologies for the late comment but what grievance are they going to file? No one has been furloughed yet and therefore no one has been paid under 21.B.9.a versus 21.B.3. Until that happens, there is nothing to grieve and thus nothing to file.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3133143)
The company is out of compliance and has been for 6 months with many of the scope provisions.
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
(Post 3133111)
Eh, I'm happy to let the grievance committee decide when and where a violation occurs, not sailing or apc.
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
(Post 3133111)
Eh, I'm happy to let the grievance committee decide when and where a violation occurs, not sailing or apc.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3133139)
So tell me, if this is not a FM event what exactly is in your opinion?
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Force majeure is defined by Merriam-Webster as an event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled— compare ACT OF GOD
Our contract language is much more broad than this. “Circumstance over which the Company does not have control,” for the purposes of Section 1, means a circumstance that includes, but is not limited to, a natural disaster; labor dispute; grounding of a substantial number of the Company’s aircraft by a government agency; reduction in flying operations because of a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials due to either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the Company’s operations; revocation of the Company’s operating certificate(s); war emergency; owner’s delay in delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery; manufacturer’s delay in delivery of new aircraft scheduled for delivery. The term “circumstance over which the Company does not have control” will not include the price of fuel or other supplies, the price of aircraft, the state of the economy, the financial state of the Company, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Company’s then-current operations. This can be argued as applying to anything not specifically prohibited. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 3133159)
Force majeure is defined by Merriam-Webster as an event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled— compare ACT OF GOD
Our contract language is much more broad than this. “Circumstance over which the Company does not have control,” for the purposes of Section 1, means a circumstance that includes, but is not limited to, a natural disaster; labor dispute; grounding of a substantial number of the Company’s aircraft by a government agency; reduction in flying operations because of a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials due to either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the Company’s operations; revocation of the Company’s operating certificate(s); war emergency; owner’s delay in delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery; manufacturer’s delay in delivery of new aircraft scheduled for delivery. The term “circumstance over which the Company does not have control” will not include the price of fuel or other supplies, the price of aircraft, the state of the economy, the financial state of the Company, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Company’s then-current operations. This can be argued as applying to anything not specifically prohibited. Believe it or not, law doesnt work off black and white, and it never has. Neither does labor contracts. Both sides had an intent when they negotiated that language. The company is probably right, but the union probably didnt say, "look if a corona virus ravages the globe and pax load crater, you aint trying to use that FM crap right?". But heres the problem, the company got bailed out. They convinced whole employee groups to just- leave, go on unemployment, so delta could pocket the money. So they pocketed all that money and had six months to deal with this insane crap. Now six months later, after ignoring us and deciding the small cost savings weren't enough to do anything, suddenly, they want to impose cost savings that wont balance the budget. Id like to hear an impartial arbitrator ask difficult questions like, "so six months of these guys begging you to negotiate and you shrugged them off?" Now its an emergency? |
Life Insurance
Establishing a Trust for probate purposes and the lawyers were asking about life insurance policy info. All I can find in our Benefits section is that it's through Metlife but the value isn't listed other than a generic 50k or 1xAnnual salary. I thought we had a significantly better benefit as a pilot group but can't find the info anywhere. Does anyone have a better source for the value and where I can find it listed? Thanks for any assistance.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3133076)
It might be or it might not. At the moment it’s a slam dunk for the company with the rim lowered to 4 feet. As the economy recovers and imposed flight restrictions ease the rim starts to move higher. It will be very easy to show traffic volumes and eased restrictions down the road and make a compelling case. At the moment we don’t even have a case.
if we have a vaccine in the next 6 months I doubt we will even need a grievance. |
Originally Posted by Shades of Blue
(Post 3133439)
Establishing a Trust for probate purposes and the lawyers were asking about life insurance policy info. All I can find in our Benefits section is that it's through Metlife but the value isn't listed other than a generic 50k or 1xAnnual salary. I thought we had a significantly better benefit as a pilot group but can't find the info anywhere. Does anyone have a better source for the value and where I can find it listed? Thanks for any assistance.
Your beneficiary(ies) will receive the proceeds of a Company-paid term life insurance policy covering the pilot. Per the PWA, the amount is equal to 2,500 times the 12-year captain hourly rate on the highest-paying aircraft type outlined in the PWA in effect on January 1 of each year. Applying this formula, the Company-paid life insurance in effect is $885,000 in 2020. Note: A pilot may elect a lower amount of Company-paid life insurance, as explained below. You may designate any individual(s) or trust(s) as beneficiary for the Company-paid term life insurance. It's in PWA 26.G |
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