I was thinking more about how long the grievance process takes which can be years as you know. So I say file it ASAP and get the ball rolling.

Its normally months not years on a major grievance.

Something as wide ranging and important as this plus COVID restrictions and company delays could easily push this into years.

Time critical issues rarely take beyond 6 months. Covid could be a issue but if that’s the case we probably don’t want a hearing anyway. The last thing is you can’t grieve the future. If we file a grievance now it will be about the issues now regardless of when it’s heard. That’s again why you don’t want to employ a Ready, Fire, aim strategy. As I posted prior you don’t fire when the enemy is out of range. You’re going to need that ammo when they are in range.

You don’t know we will lose. Stop being a company yes man. We need to fight this...through the grievance process and publicly through the media. I think your posts normally add value, but to advocate letting the company subvert our contract and do nothing is not acceptable anymore, if it ever was....we need to stop acting like an abused victim.

As I posted before, you need to be smart. I bet the union files nothing. To file now and lose could be a disaster for us 18 months from now. To be clear yes we would lose, 18 to 24 months from now might be a quite different story.

If they don’t file now, then they should at least pin management down on criteria for when FM is over (restored to normal Ops). It’s not clear in the PWA what metrics/benchmarks the company is using, and without any criteria, it constitutes a blank check IMO. It’s not unreasonable to negotiate when FM is concluded. Will it be based on number of pax? Percentage of revenue from previous year? Cashburn neutral? Etc. Whatever is decided, I’m sure it’s based on performance and not time (18-24 months), and now is definitely the time to establish the exact criteria they’re using IMO.

I actually agree with Sailing for once. Politics is murky, we’d lose.

No, theres no politics. If you dont file you set a past practice for no following the contract. What sailing might be trying to get at, and doesnt understand what hes saying, is that the union will file it knowing its at least 6 months for an arbitrator to be available for a new grievance AND the union continues pushing the grievance back for other "more important" items.

It isnt baseball. You cant let the pitch go by and swing on the next one. You must enforce your labor contract.

Sorry but this isn’t how it’s done. Sailing is right on this one and you’re dead wrong. DEAD WRONG.