Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog

Originally Posted by Sink r8

Guys,

Two discussions going on (at least): only the second is worth it. As for the first, I found the "Ignore" feature under CP User > Buddy/Ignore List.

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Keenster,



Sorry, I was a little turned off by the large caps. I hate yelling on forums. A couple of points about "best practices":

1) DAL's way isn't the best way. It's just the way it's being done right now.

2) There is not a pilot that sees a new procedure, and adapts without comment. It's only normal that changing an entire way of doing things would entail a lot of comments. We should be more patient and understanding as you get used to the new system.

3) 2 doesn't negate 1.

4) 3 doesn't mean the system as a whole can't be improved. You guys have brought up some very valid points. For example, there are a number of IT issues that I think are awful, but really never second-guessed. Until now. Thanks.

5) 4 doesn't mean it should happen today. North guys like to say they know what's best because they have compared. Good for you. And sure enough, I'm sure a North and South guy, living under one system, will agree on a best practice. But just as you can't accept the notion Delta's practice is the best possible, we (sorry) can't agree that you're the new instant experts on both sides of the fence. Let's work together, then we'll talk.

6) Luckily, that's exactly what's happening. The company didn't pick the ultimate best procedures, they picked the fastest way to SOC. They are interested in improving (with their resources) the system. The union is systematically talking about how to make sure the company doesn't go for a "middle ground" that "accidentally" hurts the pilots. This will be worked out, with your input, and mine.

7) There are a number things I want the company to do, in the course of improving business practices, but my focus isn't on changing company procedures. I want compensation, and I want QOL. Any effort applied to the procedure side of the equation is an effort not applied on my wallet. I hope we ultimately craft a (much) better contract for ourselves, and (as a secondary consideration) operate according to the best practices available, in the safest, most comfortable environment possible.

Sincerely,

"Sink r8"

Originally Posted by buzzpat

Sounds to me like we've got some folks who don't value their jobs in a very tough economy. CA's should be singing to ops when crap like this goes on. I can't imagine any supervisor would condone behavior like this. Sure, DAL has good bases and bad when it comes to ground ops. But, we're all wearing the same label these days and unprofessional behavior should be called out. It sure would if it were the flight crews doing it.

Originally Posted by buzzpat

A quick call from the I Phone works as well.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Not there our, but there are.
Better?
... how much of the tab we end up paying.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

I agree with your point about remembering the victims.
Just for today, maybe we shouldn't dance.

Its weird how airline pilots can look at bankruptcy, job losses and pension destruction as an opportunity.
We are a strange lot. Psychologically, not well suited to be trade unionists.
And management just smiles knowingly.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

I agree with your point about remembering the victims.
Just for today, maybe we shouldn't dance.

Its weird how airline pilots can look at bankruptcy, job losses and pension destruction as an opportunity.
We are a strange lot. Psychologically, not well suited to be trade unionists.
And management just smiles knowingly.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Sadly I agree. We are a greedy selfish lot. If we worked together or at least understood the concept as a whole, (take out the 5% that are selfish), we would gain a lot more.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential

I wouldn't necessarily use negative adjectives like greedy and selfish.
A "pilot" union is just different than most others.
We are individualists. Self-reliant and highly competitive. We are all leaders. Generally, not good union "socialists".
This ain't the ILGWU.
Management knows all that and uses it against us. They play us like a damn Stradivarius.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Sadly I agree. We are a greedy selfish lot. If we worked together or at least understood the concept as a whole, (take out the 5% that are selfish), we would gain a lot more.

I am glad to see DAL making good business decisions, or at least trying to, in the end it makes the prospects of this job a little brighter.