That's an awfully broad brush you're painting with there Satch. There are many in that group that do not feel the same way.............myself included.

Denny

 

Thanks for anchoring yet another reason why the tail wags the dog.

OK, so who executed this decision and why was this so much better than flying the damn airplanes ourselves?

 

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

The trick come in with routes that these airlines will refuse to fly. Say ATL-CSG. It may not make money for DAL so it will not make money for SKW. How will DAL for them to fly a route that will not make money for them without guaranteeing them a profit.

Thoughts to ponder.

Put the right equipment on that route. A 3,000nm Mach .84 jet ain't the right bird for the mission. The E120 sucked, but it was enormously profitable.

There is nothing in our scope which would prevent the right equipment be put on that route to make money and provide service that would feed the ATL / CLT or MCO operations of various carriers.

Of course the other issue is the Heimatschutzministerium and the cost structure that makes it worth the while for Savannah folks to drive to Jacksonville. They blame us for that, but it really is not our fault.

 

Denny, I admit that. But it only takes 50.1% of the votes cast. If elected reps feel bold enough to publish that philosophy in an official document, they must feel they have the support of the majority.

Not meaning to impugn your personal integrity and present company excepted, but every one has a price. Can the company find that point?

Bar, is that entire publication available? I would like to read it before go off even more half cocked.

 

Looks like this RAH order really has this place spun up tonight. Nothing wrong with thinking about and planning the future. Come on guys, the sky isn't falling. I haven't flown with one Capt. that wants to give away SCOPE, in fact it's 100% opposite of that. The LAST thing we need is to divide this pilot group with senior vs. junior stuff. Heck, we just swallowed the whole merger sandwich.

The RJ party is over and mngt. knows it.

Off to enjoy a cold one

 

Sat;

I get the feeling from the pilots in charge of the boat that scope is not for sale.

Yes, there are many guys that give two hoots about you. That is your problem. They want to get as much as they can from this job. I do not blame them, they have been screwed. I do not care what they get, as along as it does not come in the form of scope sale.
I could say more but I will not. It is pointless. The point is that, I fly when these guys too, and they are uninformed.

The issue is that we need to realize that these jets can be flown here at mainline. It is not using bargaining capital for jets that are below us, it is making sure there are enough seats on property for those senior guys to stay senior. That is how I frame this argument to them! That is fact.

If we keep whittling away the bottom, before too long the top and the bottom will meet. Those with less than 10 years left just want money. I get that, the problem is that selling scope may very well effect them as well. They just do not see it. Thank god our reps see that. I know for fact the guys in 20, 44 and 66 do!

 

The RJ party may be over but that does not mean the contracts expire.

BTW I think I know what jet you are on. Those guys are effected by this. The ones I fly with on the ER and those above do not see it EVER effecting them. Not all but many. They want Pay and a pension. (Many not all, some get it, and those are the great trips)

 

Delta already did this with ExpressJet Airlines for flying out of LAX. It lasted less then 16 months, and was mutually terminated. It's going to be interesting how the regional picture will turn out when these agreements start to replace the fee for departure agreements.

 

I have had two separate CAs, one a LCA, tell me point blank that they would sell scope for retirement or big pay raises. The argument was they have only so many years left to make up for the lost DB. They are the ones honest enough to spell it out. There are others. That is why I want to read that ROAR issue.

 

December 13th, 2012, can't get here fast enough for many of us. I just worry that they fact they sold our anchor, scuttled the rudder and put the keel of our ship on EBay means we might not be able to save the ship in time.

Not that I advocate mutiny, because I most certainly do not. But, we sure need to figure out a way to get the Captain's attention.