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NERD 01-08-2013 11:14 AM

Easily amendable in C2015 with a 4,8,3,3% raises offset by remaining 70 seaters traded 1-1 to 76 seaters and a reduction in profit sharing to keep it cost neutral to Delta:D

Also, how come JG put out the weekly update vs SD?


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1326179)
How dare you inject facts into the conversation! You are ruining people's conspiracy theories! :D


Vikz09 01-08-2013 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1326076)
Hey, did you see Miss Alabama, the girlfriend of the QB, last night?

She was an Auburn grad! :eek: :D Yup!


Smokin!!!

Thought Musberger was going to have a restraining order against him at the end of the game.

sailingfun 01-08-2013 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1326175)
RA's looking more and more like a genius for defering the delivery of these pos
Boeing 787 at Boston airport returns to gate with fuel leak - Yahoo! News

I would not say that. The dispatch reliability of the aircraft has been nothing short of spectacular for a new jet. The only other aircraft in its league at introduction was the 777. Its way above the A380. Its also meeting all its promised fuel burn targets and in fact is beating them. AvWeek had a excellent article on the aircraft now that its in service.

forgot to bid 01-08-2013 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1326076)
Hey, did you see Miss Alabama, the girlfriend of the QB, last night?

She was an Auburn grad! Yup!

She's an Auburn grad? I mean the face says yes... but that shirt... I don't know...

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USA...e3bc4da4bf3083

I'd have to see more.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...kdpKR1kNpOh8XK

Okay now I see, definitely an Auburn girl.

Oh well. It's unfortunate, but it happens. Cool thing was while he was throwing incomplete passes at the end of the game in 2010, she was cheering for Cam and company in the greatest comeback ever. :D

28-27.

sinca3 01-08-2013 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1326215)
I would not say that. The dispatch reliability of the aircraft has been nothing short of spectacular for a new jet. The only other aircraft in its league at introduction was the 777. Its way above the A380. Its also meeting all its promised fuel burn targets and in fact is beating them. AvWeek had a excellent article on the aircraft now that its in service.

While I don't doubt what you say, where does AvWeek get their info? The last thing I heard was the 787 wasn't meeting any of its fuel burn numbers, but that was over a year ago.
Too bad new aircraft have to go through a "reliabilty" stage before they are a proven commodity.

Scoop 01-08-2013 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1326050)
How would the 321s affect the LAX base? Unless I'm mistaken, LAX doesn't do flying within the state of Hawaii and that's the only code sharing we do with HAL.


Hawaii! We pretty much don't even fly on the west coast.

Scoop

TenYearsGone 01-08-2013 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1326175)
RA's looking more and more like a genius for defering the delivery of these pos
Boeing 787 at Boston airport returns to gate with fuel leak - Yahoo! News

RA is looking more and more like a genius for shrinking the "Bahjeezuz" out of mainline by outsourcing and cutting capacity. Delta is beginning to look much like NWA.

I wish someone (from the union) would diplomatically interview RA, on a fact finding mission, and ask him to be intellectually honest with the pilot group. I would like to know what his plans are for the Delta pilot group and if his goal is to try to become a NWA/Virtual Airline? I want to know if I am going to have a great future at Delta or an anemic one? I keep waiting for that "great" news that I thought we would hear after the contract was accepted but all I hear is: downsizing and cutbacks.:mad:

I'm feeling a bit jealous of others' seniority progression, aircraft orders and career advancements (HA/AK/VA/Emirates/UA etc)..I really do worry about a merger with HA or AK because tHey hired numerous pilots from 2002-2007, the era where Delta and NWA were stagnant.

TEN

sailingfun 01-08-2013 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1326221)
While I don't doubt what you say, where does AvWeek get their info? The last thing I heard was the 787 wasn't meeting any of its fuel burn numbers, but that was over a year ago.
Too bad new aircraft have to go through a "reliabilty" stage before they are a proven commodity.

The fuel burn target was a 20 percent improvement over the 767 on a 3000 mile flight. The improvement actually gets better then that at longer ranges up to 6000 miles. They have met that target. In addition the AvWeek test pilot described the aircraft as one of the best flying airliners ever. He really liked how the aircraft is designed to keep the pilot in the loop on everything that is happening. Here is his summary.

"The 787 is indeed the nicest handling and most docile handling Boeing jetliner I've yet flown. Enhancements in the companies FBW flight-control system increase safety margins and make the aircraft impressively pleasant to hand fly.
The aircraft can be flown with equal ability from either seat because the left and right sides have the same access to displays, controls and tools, including left and right HUD's, EFB's and steering tillers. Situational awareness and crew resource management are top notch because of moving and interconnected control yokes and rudder pedals, along with back-driven throttles and speed brake handle.
Admittedly, the aircraft entered service three years later then planned. But, judging on performance, it was worth the wait."

Avweek is noted for unbiased reviews and I have read others from this test pilot that were far less flattering for other jets.

cni187 01-08-2013 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1326067)
BHM is the place where I was saved from a mugging by my FO. We were walking back to the hotel from little five points when a group of dudes started to surround me. My FO started screaming for me to run!! I ran into the street in front of some moving cars which separated me from the thugs. This went down right in front of the hotel. The section 8 housing/dump that was near the hotel has since been demolished. There seems to be less thuginess but I still don't like that layover.

Guess those same thugs yelled at me and my captain from a second story window for us to give them our sunglasses. I laughed and then got displaced off the Mad dog.

dalad 01-08-2013 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1326217)
She's an Auburn grad? I mean the face says yes... but that shirt... I don't know...

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USA...e3bc4da4bf3083

I'd have to see more.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...kdpKR1kNpOh8XK

Okay now I see, definitely an Auburn girl.

Oh well. It's unfortunate, but it happens. Cool thing was while he was throwing incomplete passes at the end of the game in 2010, she was cheering for Cam and company in the greatest comeback ever. :D

28-27.

i saw that pic on yahoo this am. no wonder brent musberger was drooling last night. At least AU can recruit coeds!

Sink r8 01-08-2013 12:57 PM

Duplicate post.

Sink r8 01-08-2013 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1326237)
Guess those same thugs yelled at me and my captain from a second story window for us to give them our sunglasses. I laughed and then got displaced off the Mad dog.

Not smart. You should have given them the sunglasses.

UncleSam 01-08-2013 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1326175)
RA's looking more and more like a genius for defering the delivery of these pos
Boeing 787 at Boston airport returns to gate with fuel leak - Yahoo! News

Just saw a note that one of them caught on fire sitting at the gate.:eek:

buzzpat 01-08-2013 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1326222)
Hawaii! We pretty much don't even fly on the west coast.

Scoop

^^^^^^^^^

I spend more time in Detroit than I do on the left coast.

NuGuy 01-08-2013 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1326233)
Avweek is noted for unbiased reviews and I have read others from this test pilot that were far less flattering for other jets.

I seem to recall that AvWeek was quite the proponent of outsourcing, too, and seem to remember an editorial in the back emphasizing that point.

I dropped my subscription after that. The mag was always kinda spendy, and naturally, when their subscription people called to bug me to re-up, I told them that my job had been outsourced, and could no longer afford their publication.

Nu

80ktsClamp 01-08-2013 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1326248)
^^^^^^^^^

I spend more time in Detroit than I do on the left coast.

And ironically I prefer the DTW layovers. We're always where we don't want to be, I suppose, haha.

And as far as starting my baby on two-a-days, we're working on reducing him down from 12-a-days!

dalad 01-08-2013 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1326248)
^^^^^^^^^

I spend more time in Detroit than I do on the left coast.

There are some nice beaches on Lake Erie. That Livonia layover is great, too!

sinca3 01-08-2013 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1326233)
The fuel burn target was a 20 percent improvement over the 767 on a 3000 mile flight. The improvement actually gets better then that at longer ranges up to 6000 miles. They have met that target. In addition the AvWeek test pilot described the aircraft as one of the best flying airliners ever. He really liked how the aircraft is designed to keep the pilot in the loop on everything that is happening. Here is his summary.

"The 787 is indeed the nicest handling and most docile handling Boeing jetliner I've yet flown. Enhancements in the companies FBW flight-control system increase safety margins and make the aircraft impressively pleasant to hand fly.
The aircraft can be flown with equal ability from either seat because the left and right sides have the same access to displays, controls and tools, including left and right HUD's, EFB's and steering tillers. Situational awareness and crew resource management are top notch because of moving and interconnected control yokes and rudder pedals, along with back-driven throttles and speed brake handle.
Admittedly, the aircraft entered service three years later then planned. But, judging on performance, it was worth the wait."

Avweek is noted for unbiased reviews and I have read others from this test pilot that were far less flattering for other jets.

He's paid by Boeing to say all those things, otherwise he wouldn't be employed!

buzzpat 01-08-2013 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1326252)
And ironically I prefer the DTW layovers. We're always where we don't want to be, I suppose, haha.

And as far as starting my baby on two-a-days, we're working on reducing him down from 12-a-days!

I actually like the Livonia layover and I LOVE it when we stay at the airport hotel.

Bucking Bar 01-08-2013 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1326053)
Gotta love it. You have a good hotel for an overnight, BHM, and they switch it to a an absolutely lousy location. Somewhere in the contract it must say "must be near convention center, ensure no restaurants within a reasonable distance except in hotel, and be around nothing else, crime not a factor..."

Are we back at the Sheraton?

I thought the Hotel was the Doubletree 5 points area. Did we go back?

We were at the Sheraton for a 30+ hour layover with the band "Widespread Panic." When the A line asked who these strange dudes were on our airplane, I told her "Widespread Panic." She then got on the PA and welcomed aboard "White Spread Panties." :eek:

Captain asked, did you tell her to say that? No, I think she misunderstood me.

They had a weekend concert series at the Jefferson Center across the street from the Sheraton. Guests of the hotel were smoking crack in the halls and making meth on the property. By the end of the weekend a few were running naked through the halls. One young twenty something hottie looked great Friday night. We saw her Saturday and she had used the restroom all over herself and was nearly comatose. People were beating on the door at 2am looking for "dude." Our uniforms stunk like we had been through a fire. (Pot is at least fragrant, burned aluminum foil just stinks)

I wrote it up. The response from the Hotel management sealed the deal ... I think there were 55 arrests on and around the Hotel property (not sure of the exact number) and they refused to call the cops on things going on inside the rooms.

The next flight out we had a regional guy on the jumpseat. He said his Company moved them to the Doubletree at 5 Points and I think we followed. Our Flight Attendants gave up early and all of them went to a friend's house and slept on the floor in the living room. (If we had known what we were in for, we would have joined them)

The Jefferson Center prides itself on hosting "interesting" acts. IMHO, they host stuff that is too interesting for a flight crew to be near.

johnso29 01-08-2013 01:33 PM

DTW Airport Westin ROCKS!!! :)

tsquare 01-08-2013 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 1326109)
They are nothing more than the championship Auburn team. Without manziel they wouldn't even be in the discussion.

That's TODAY. After winning a few SEC (The BEST football conference in the country after the AFC) they will draw all the 4 and 5 star recruits out of Texas and Louisiana. Manziel is just at the tip of the spear.

FmrFreightDog 01-08-2013 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1326266)
DTW Airport Westin ROCKS!!! :)

Agree except for the fact that the entire structure seems to have been cell-phone proofed...

scambo1 01-08-2013 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1326150)
I get that. And I know that 'what's good for Ma' Delta is good for me'. But that's not always true. Just trying to figure out what's best for my family.

THIS is why I think the clamp family might have Capt 80 kts IF he bids the -9 on this bid.

scambo1 01-08-2013 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1326175)
RA's looking more and more like a genius for defering the delivery of these pos
Boeing 787 at Boston airport returns to gate with fuel leak - Yahoo! News

The fuel tanks on the 787 are unbelievable POS's. The vendor keeps delivering junk and boeing people have to spend 4 man days per tank to get them to seal in final assembly.

80ktsClamp 01-08-2013 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1326331)
THIS is why I think the clamp family might have Capt 80 kts IF he bids the -9 on this bid.

I need to hit the gym some more if that happens! And start taking battle axe lessons again.

http://image.karneval-megastore.de/b...01800000-1.jpg

scambo1 01-08-2013 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1326347)
I need to hit the gym some more if that happens! And start taking battle axe lessons again.

http://image.karneval-megastore.de/b...01800000-1.jpg

You can't train to be NewK, you're either born that way or you're not.:D

georgetg 01-08-2013 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1326333)
The fuel tanks on the 787 are unbelievable POS's. The vendor keeps delivering junk and boeing people have to spend 4 man days per tank to get them to seal in final assembly.

That pretty much is a summary of the entire 787 program...
The -9 and -10 will be good.

Meanwhile with the exception of ULH missions the -8 weighs roughly 40,000#s more than the 767-300ER with roughly the same floorspace.
That's a lot of engine efficiencies used to carry the extra structure on most missions...

Cheers
George

forgot to bid 01-08-2013 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1326265)
Are we back at the Sheraton?

I thought the Hotel was the Doubletree 5 points area. Did we go back?

We were at the Sheraton for a 30+ hour layover with the band "Widespread Panic." When the A line asked who these strange dudes were on our airplane, I told her "Widespread Panic." She then got on the PA and welcomed aboard "White Spread Panties." :eek:

Captain asked, did you tell her to say that? No, I think she misunderstood me.

They had a weekend concert series at the Jefferson Center across the street from the Sheraton. Guests of the hotel were smoking crack in the halls and making meth on the property. By the end of the weekend a few were running naked through the halls. One young twenty something hottie looked great Friday night. We saw her Saturday and she had used the restroom all over herself and was nearly comatose. People were beating on the door at 2am looking for "dude." Our uniforms stunk like we had been through a fire. (Pot is at least fragrant, burned aluminum foil just stinks)

I wrote it up. The response from the Hotel management sealed the deal ... I think there were 55 arrests on and around the Hotel property (not sure of the exact number) and they refused to call the cops on things going on inside the rooms.

The next flight out we had a regional guy on the jumpseat. He said his Company moved them to the Doubletree at 5 Points and I think we followed. Our Flight Attendants gave up early and all of them went to a friend's house and slept on the floor in the living room. (If we had known what we were in for, we would have joined them)

The Jefferson Center prides itself on hosting "interesting" acts. IMHO, they host stuff that is too interesting for a flight crew to be near.

That blows.

I was content with where we were. Quick access to a lot of varieties of food, great hotel rooms, safe. It's about all you need on a domestic overnight.

Sometimes I think our RJ overnights were better. Sure we didn't have downtown NYC/BOS/SFO, but hey, I don't get that anyways on the 88.

cni187 01-08-2013 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1326263)
I actually like the Livonia layover and I LOVE it when we stay at the airport hotel.

Because you like shopping at the mall and hitting up Buffalo Wild Wings? Boring if you're in the under 40 crowd, but I guess paradise if you're over 50.

80ktsClamp 01-08-2013 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1326431)
Because you like shopping at the mall and hitting up Buffalo Wild Wings? Boring if you're in the under 40 crowd, but I guess paradise if you're over 50.

Hey, I'm 31 and I'm all about it!

Love me some B-dubs, plenty of reasonably priced drinks around, and nice running.

BlueMoon 01-08-2013 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1326437)
Hey, I'm 31 and I'm all about it!

Love me some B-dubs, plenty of reasonably priced drinks around, and nice running.

Does the van take you guys over to Doc's Sports Retreat? It's just down the street.

If you can get them to take you up to "The Tilted Kilt", the scenery is very nice.

iaflyer 01-08-2013 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1326437)
Hey, I'm 31 and I'm all about it!

Love me some B-dubs, plenty of reasonably priced drinks around, and nice running.

And when you hit the road again, no diapers to change. But you will start noticing changing station in the bathrooms and thinking, "oh, that's nice of them". It's just One More Thing that changes.

Purple Drank 01-08-2013 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1326467)
And when you hit the road again, no diapers to change. But you will start noticing changing station in the bathrooms and thinking, "oh, that's nice of them". It's just One More Thing that changes.

yep. I was astounded that not all the 88/90 mods have a changing station. no big deal for ATL-BHM. But MSP-SFO is problematic.

no way I'm laying my kid on that nasty toilet seat. I had previously bagged on folks for changing their kids on the tray table...but where the hell else is there to do it??

newKnow 01-08-2013 07:03 PM

Yo fellas,

I've been off for a while so I have some late house cleaning to do.....

First and foremost, Congratulations 80! With a new baby and midnight feedings, it looks like we will see a lot more of this guy...

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/.../ladiesman.jpg

Except, your glass won't have cognac in it, it will be formula now.

Congrats again , 80. :D

buzzpat 01-08-2013 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1326431)
Because you like shopping at the mall and hitting up Buffalo Wild Wings? Boring if you're in the under 40 crowd, but I guess paradise if you're over 50.

Relax. I've never shopped at the mall and been to Buffalo Wild Wings once. I like that I can get a good run in and Bridget pours some tall drinks. I spend half of my layovers at DTW...not my choice. I prefer SFO, MIA, BOS, LAS and DCA. Might as well make the best of it, however, when half of LA's 73 rotations transit DTW.

If you want to get together and see how the "over 50" guys do it, drop me a line.

sinca3 01-08-2013 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1326470)
no way I'm laying my kid on that nasty toilet seat. I had previously bagged on folks for changing their kids on the tray table...but where the hell else is there to do it??

I used either the seat or the floor after placing the changing mat down first.

sinca3 01-08-2013 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1326481)
If you want to get together and see how the "over 50" guys do it, drop me a line.

Ill be in DTW (Lavonia) this weekend if anyone's around.

buzzpat 01-08-2013 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1326485)
Ill be in DTW (Lavonia) this weekend if anyone's around.

Sinca, I'm off for a week a taking my wife to see Keane at Pantages Theater in LA this weekend. Otherwise, let's try and get together for a beer in the future.

newKnow 01-08-2013 07:10 PM

Football:

Buzz & Denny,

Congrats! My Bears blew it again. When the Seahawks beat the Packers in week two, everyone thought it was a replacement referee fluke. But, maybe not so much. Remach in the NFC championship, maybe? :rolleyes:


College Football:

Just think, if Ohio State weren't on probation, Alabama wouldn't have even been in the title game. Notre Dame might have won the national championship agains them, but didn't belong in the same state as Alabama last night. Good thing we get a playoff system next year.


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