Thank god all of our umpteen codeshare/joint venture partners will be able to pick up the slack.

Can airliners really fly upside down? - CNN.com


"Flight" director Robert Zemeckis, creator of the "Back to the Future" series, enjoyed a bit of artistic license here, said Larry Goodrich, the film's pilot consultant.
Goodrich, a 32-year pilot -- first with the Air Force, then with Delta Air Lines -- trained pilots to fly MD-88s, which the movie's plane most resembles.

Well, Airliners can't fly upside-down, but since when is the Mad Dog an "Airliner" bwahaha! Mad Dog's gonna do what ever it takes, to get to Happy Hour on time!

Give me a break! The awards were all screwed up. The only way to fix it is to rerun them. They have only been out a day. They don't have to be out for like another week. I am sure if someone can show that since yesterday they paid for a expensive vacation the issue will be addressed on a case by case basis. If they left the awards as posted the vast majority of pilots would have no way of knowing if they recieved a correct award or not since changing just one week can cascade through a entire award. ALPA going along, what a crock, they are trying to fix it.
One poster put on here they he was screwed and ALPA would not do anything to fix it. They fix the awards and someone elses posts that ALPA is going along with a rerun and thats wrong. Reruning the bids is the only way to insure each pilot got what he should have held.

How do we slide vacation? I remember reading about it, but I can't remember where. I have been trying to find something on it on the company and ALPA websites to no avail.

Absolutely correct sailing. The awards were obviously screwed up and pulled. The same thing has occasionally happened with the preliminary monthly bids. If we whine loud enough, the company will just wait until the last possible contractually allowed limit to post any awards.

BTW, I got my first choice of vacation bids (Two weeks over my anniversary.) During a rerun I may lose it and although I won't be happy, I won't accuse DAL or ALPA of screwing me.

Read the PBS gouge. You slide vacation when doing your PBS bids.

Fair enough. They can rerun it and give any affected pilot a choice between the first award and the second and then deal with the staffing consequences their mistake caused. The difference is that on the PBS runs, there is a disclaimer that awards aren't final until posted in DBMS. Not so in this case. I'll whine as loud as I want. I care far less about how fast the awards come out than I do about the accuracy of the results. Even the prehistoric IT that Delta clings to is no excuse for that kind of sloppiness.

Looks like the re-run is done. My vacation is one week earlier (and better) than it was yesterday.

Sailing;

I'm glad you are still on this forum. I was not wanting to lose your perspective.

Log onto DLnet and there is an explanation of what happened and what was done to fix it. Now the screw up is in the secondary weeks available! It shows me in a totally different category!

No big deal if they are not what you want. Take your awarded vacation, call in sick for the time you really want off and voila a win win situation. 3,2,1.....que pineapple guy:D

+1 and I hope he doesn't give up on the "other" forum. (As tempting as it may be.)

I gave up on the other forum a long time ago. I rarely go there, but did a day or two ago.

In my case, I kept the original award.

Before we get too whiny about re-running or not re-running... has anyone actually been warded a lower choice the second time around?

Ok... So my award didn't change and I still have my 40th some odd choice. There are plenty of weeks available on secondary for my first choice of vacation. Why didn't I get it as my primary?

Mine was the same. First time I haven't gotten Thanksgiving off in awhile. Did get the anniversary off though, so my wife is happy. Vegas here we come.

I got the same award, but only 1 week instead of 2. I would have preferred to have 2. I forgot to bid though so I can't complain.

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Time for a new bike!

Feb 14 only a month away......Woo-Hoo :D

If you need more vacation time just bid the "9". On second thought just stay away ;)

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Same for me.

Delta's new rates as of Jan 1st. Lots of numbers I had to update :)

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Looks great! Thanks. :)

Ok if th co founders pictures are not coming through I don't feel so bad :)

Ok I see it now so I'll try again

Got to agree with Sailing on this one. There were errors with the bids so the company did the right thing and fixed them - very quickly I might add.

I doubt anyone was financially damaged by this temporary srew-up, but if they were I would assume that the company would have to suck it up and provide relief. Lets not make a bid deal out of something minor.

Scoop

Bid M88B. Won't be an issue for hitting any upper limits anywhere. Problem solved.

There are only so many slots for each week available in each bid run. It allows the higher choice weeks to go lower in seniority, or on bids 2,3,4. Look at weeks avail on the Crew Resources and scheduling page. It shows how many slots are avail for each week on each vacation week bid run.

Only flown about 250 or so on the ER B in ATL as well.

I hear that the initial bid for 717 will be 100 A's and B's. Split between ATL and DTW. Bid coming out in March. If you are a bottom feeder in category, have your displacement bids in order. Bid what you want and want what you bid. The closing of the 767 domestic category will make it interesting. Also, opening the DTW 73N category.

I made an error on my PVAC bid. Any chance they can run the bid again?

^^^this

when we make mistakes in the airplane--whether intentional or not--there are consequences.

the company itself must be held accountable, just like we are. the award was published before it was ready. That's Delta's mistake. Delta needs to honor the more favorable awards from both runs, and eat whatever green slips result.

ALPA should be there to make sure Delta is held accountable... not just to hold Delta's hand.

Hey, is flightinfo's General Lee on this forum?

I screwed up once and was to high/fast and had to go around on a MD-11. I don't know how much money that cost Delta, but I wasn't fired, fined or even chastised. Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake and no one needs to be punished.

To be honest, that's not totally true. I've screwed up a lot more than once.

duplicate.....

"Punishment" and "accountability" are not synonyms.

I agree. I'm not a company stooge for sure but at some point you have to say hey lets pick the fights worth fighting. No point creating a hostile work environment over every issue...just those 76 seat ones :p

Wasn't the mistake owned up to? That is accountability.

Or are you saying the company should be "punished?"

BTW, I'd guess there is someone in IT that didn't have a very pleasant day today.

and 376 seat ones too, I hope? :cool:

It was a significant error. I guess I'd expect some consequences if I made a significant error. The company should be held to the same standard we are.

I hope the guilty party in IT filled out an ASAP report. :D

Whatever happened to Meg Ryan? Is she still out there?