In principle I agree with what you said above but how do you implement it with a bunch of guys who lost a huge amount via the terminated DB and do not have the "time" to take full advantage of compounding?

Denny

 

T, you may be onto something there. I couldn't find a big enough screwdriver to pry it loose from memory, but what you say may very well have been what was there. If that was the logic, then I am totally in agreement.

 

Denny, that would be me.

 

For my 2012 "wants", if it came down to a few things that would have the biggest impact:

1. Pay and credit for ALL activities (e.g. training, deadhead only, vacation, reserve days.)

2. Duty periods calculated on a day by day, not look back/averages.

3. DPM of 5:30 in 2012, 5:40 in 2013, 5:50 in 2014, 6:00 in 2015 (6:00 is FDX current book)

4. Payrates to equal FDX widebody for ALL FLEET TYPES equally.(see next for "adjustments").

5. Return of night override of $10 CA, $7 FO for all time 2200-0600 Local Base Time, LBT resets with layovers greater than 72 hrs.

6. Increase of intl. override of $10 CA, $7 FO.

7. DC of 18%.

8. Profit sharing/bonuses calculated using the same methodology as top 10 company officers (amounts would obviously be lower, but it would equalize the "payouts in a corporate loss" animosity).

Yes, ALPA guys, it is a WISH LIST, I understand we need leverage to make gains.....

Pay and credit for ALL activities would increase pay, QOL and opportunities for EVERYBODY in huge ways (ask Sailing for details on this). Night and intl. overrides would make up for changes in "pay by type" equalization. I have some interesting "outside the box" ideas stemming from the pay and credit thing but can't truly and fully explain them in webboard form.

Enjoy!

 

9. Make up DC contribution to IRS max funded by company for those the the "Dead Zone"......

Add to my other list, because I do think the "dead zoners" should have way to recoup, although carveouts normally hurt unity not necessarily help, I think this would be a worthy exception. Penion theft by Leo et al. should have been a criminal offense.

 

Welcome to the club!!

Denny

 

I advocated this when we were going through the JPWA stuff. Raising first year pay by 1 dollar is worth more in the long run than raising 12 year A pay by 10 dollars. (Ok, so I pulled that number out of my tushy, but you get the point.)

I was thinking a bigger pay bump for the bottom coupled with a bigger DC bump for the top. Would that satisfy the Deadzone guys? I understand their dilemma, but neither end of the list should screw the other for personal gains.

 

So I should lose out because you did? (JOKE! That would be the "FU I want mine" response.)

Reality from the world according to Shiznit:

Expect that I will stand beside senior pilots to try and help make up for losses, and I expect you will stand beside junior pilots to make sure that can never happen to us as a group again. Expect that we would always stand side by side to improve day-to-day QOL for all pilots no matter what, where, who, or when!

 

Thank you Shiz! I could go for all the items you posted in your previous too!!

Denny

 

Actually, it has stated with the FO rates being a higher percentage to what a captain makes.

There is also another advantage of the pension being gone. We are no longer myopic on FAE and therefore do not have to focus on keeping the high end rates up at the cost of things like scope, work rules, etc.