A little tag on here. The AWABS preface is where you go to get the penalties/corrections if, a big IF, you need them.

If a MEL/CDL item in the log book is listed on the AWABS that comes across on the ACARS, THESE PENALTIES/CORRECTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPLIED and you do not have to make any corrections. The preface, on the whole, is pretty useless unless you have a write up that is not on the AWABS..........pretty rare occasion in my experience. If you have this then just get a hold of the dispatcher (it might even be a "Dispatcher Approval Needed Item), have him and MTC correct it and then have the dispatcher get load planning to send a new AWABS. I get a passenger count from the agent and then compare it to the count on the ACARS awabs. If they are the same or within tolerance, you are good to go.

Maybe I don't understand and am being to simplistic here so anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

Denny

AR,

When all of these actions are called out, then that is bitterness and disunity.

A bit self-serving. Perceived inequities and problems are pointed out and they are dismissed as bitterness and disunity by those with an interest in doing so. Well done. More "Veritas?"

I am sorry, but the KW letter and the Council 54 newsletter were meant solely to whip people in a frenzy and divide the pilot group. I point that out and I am the angry one? This is bizarro world.

Have you spoken with or contacted KW or the C54 guys? Surely you have looked into the issues raised in both letters and deemed them to be unsubstantiated by your own independent investigation and not Administration bullet points before declaring the authors as promoting bitterness and disunity, right? It seems like you are suggesting that the letters are initial attempts to point out problems. I wondered the same thing. After contacting the authors of both of the letters you cite, I believe them when they say these letters are a last resort and that earlier attempts to address the issues were dismissed. The theory you are suggesting that Watts just tossed a grenade into the crowd to whip everyone up and divide the pilot group is crazy. What do you base that on? Anyone daring to bang on the door to the kingdom must be a wacko, right?

Ain't it great to have a forum like this that allows the Administration to post directly without being identified. Yeah, it's bizarro world alright.

Thanks dragon, acl, and Denny. A few more trips and I'll have it figured out.

Thanks Denny, you are absolutely correct. I should have said that is the way it "used" to work, and that is how they came up with the disparity between the two. And yes the second part was referring to composite lines.

No, you are right on. The preface usually just gets shoved into the pile of papers without a second look. It's only pulled out IF you need to adjust for anything that broke after leaving the gate, for runway changes involving intersection or displaced thresholds, or to see what the cabin configuration is.

Not accurate.

Many pilots at Compass are more experienced than most of the first officers at Delta, from the '08 hires to senior guys in the right seat of the whale. The rest of the group is experienced enough to not do what you assert would happen.

Second thing, the fly it first contract later line you wrote. This is ironic because as you know, Northwest Airlines presented its pilots with a contract that included the creation of Compass and the flowback/flowthrough and the pilots approved it for various reasons. Other than three mainline flowbacks, no Compass pilot ever got to vote on the current contract.


The crowd you should be concerned about, rather, is those who are flight instructing and time building right now. If we all do not educate them as to what alter-ego carriers are, what standards they should try to have when applying for jobs when things turn around, and what carriers to try and avoid working for, then we will have a group that will take the keys first and get a contract later.

Understandably, and through no fault of their own, they will be itching to leave the piston arena and enter the 121 world for a better schedule, health insurance, and the chance to travel. Even a bottom feeder operation looks good compared to some of the jobs they will have been working for a few years when hiring starts.

Highly doubtful.

I thought a few of them were ex-ATA guys.

Thanks. I might even cut one of the three items you mention above and say if I have a intersection/displaced threshold (shorter runway), I'd use the ACARs and request new numbers for the takeoff at the intersection. If the intersection/displaced threshold causes you to have MORE runway available then you can use the numbers you already have.

Denny

Quick question......at what times is PCS run every day?