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Old 05-31-2010 | 03:05 AM
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This is from "1998-1999" ocupational handbook provided by the USGOVT.

http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/ooh9899/36.htm


Earnings of airline pilots are among the highest in the Nation. According to the Future Aviation Professionals of America (FAPA), the 1996 average starting salary for airline pilots ranged from about $15,000 at the smaller turboprop airlines to $26,290 at the larger major airlines. Average earnings for experienced pilots with 6 years of experience ranged from $28,100 at the turboprop airlines to almost $76,800 at the largest airlines. Some senior captains on the largest aircraft earned as much as $200,000 a year. Earnings depend on factors such as the type, size, and maximum speed of the plane, and the number of hours and miles flown. Extra pay may be given for night and international flights. Generally, pilots working outside the airlines earn lower salaries. Usually, pilots who fly jet aircraft earn higher salaries than non-jet pilots.

Data from the Future Aviation Professionals of America for 1996 show that commercial helicopter pilots averaged from $33,700 to $ 59,900 a year. Average pay for corporate helicopter pilots ranged from $47,900 to $72,500. Some helicopter pilots earned over $100,000 a year.

Airline pilots generally are eligible for life and health insurance plans financed by the airlines. They also receive retirement benefits and if they fail the FAA physical examination at some point in their careers, they get disability payments. In addition, pilots receive an expense allowance, or "per diem", for every hour they are away from home. Per diem can represent up to $500 each month in addition to their salary. Some airlines also provide allowances to pilots for purchasing and cleaning their uniforms. As an additional benefit, pilots and their immediate families usually are entitled to free or reduced fare transportation on their own and other airlines.

Most airline pilots are members of unions. Most airline pilots are members of the Airline Pilots Association, International, but those employed by one major airline are members of the Allied Pilots Association. Some flight engineers are members of the Flight Engineers' International Association.
Old 05-31-2010 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying
Speaking of MLOA… the contract talks about the standard five year USERRA limit and uses the word "cumulative". Does that mean the company could go back and add together all your chunks of mil leave and that the total cannot go over five years? Specifically, what about a year of intermittent orders followed by a five year block. Does that exceed the limit? What about UTAs? Thanks!

Its your total of mil leave. There is a exception for service in a combat zone. You would have to check on the definition of that.

There is some talk the company is going to take a hard line on this. Sadly abuse of mil leave by a few may impact everyone as sick leave did.

I know several people who need two or three more years to get the full military retirement and medical and then plan to come back to Delta. They will have been out 8 to 10 years total. I think we should let them back since they may have prevented others from being furloughed.

I do however understand the issue of a pilot who has elected to work for someone else while waiting for Delta to survive and then comes back to Delta 10 years later with a full retirement, slides right into a Captains seat and gets all his Delta retirement paid back! If I were junior that might give me some pause if I stuck out the bankruptcy and spent the last 10 years generating revenue to keep the company alive only to lose a bunch of numbers when these guys come back.
Old 05-31-2010 | 03:45 AM
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On a different note....I'm on the MD88 and am moving to the MD88/90 in CVG in a few days. Is the 90 that much different from the 88 on the line? I'm worried because I dont think the CD (Which I finished about a month ago) is that good.
Old 05-31-2010 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its your total of mil leave. There is a exception for service in a combat zone. You would have to check on the definition of that.

There is some talk the company is going to take a hard line on this. Sadly abuse of mil leave by a few may impact everyone as sick leave did.

I know several people who need two or three more years to get the full military retirement and medical and then plan to come back to Delta. They will have been out 8 to 10 years total. I think we should let them back since they may have prevented others from being furloughed.

I do however understand the issue of a pilot who has elected to work for someone else while waiting for Delta to survive and then comes back to Delta 10 years later with a full retirement, slides right into a Captains seat and gets all his Delta retirement paid back! If I were junior that might give me some pause if I stuck out the bankruptcy and spent the last 10 years generating revenue to keep the company alive only to lose a bunch of numbers when these guys come back.
While you have a point, some, if not most, of the long term mil leave guys made commitments to return to AD or an AGR position long before it looked like we were going to be successful again. When the merger happened and the synergies and the bookings uptick and now the hiring they were caught somewhat by surprise. I can only speak for the few that I know personally.

I also don't think that serving one's country, especially in time of war, is "working for someone else" like going to UPS or SWA would be. I say let them back and let them exceed the limit to get that retirement.
Old 05-31-2010 | 03:58 AM
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Just got a Yellow slip to AMS! 82 hours this month on reserve. Momma bought a new pair of shoes!
Old 05-31-2010 | 04:06 AM
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I agree about Marsha. Glad she made the move. Anyone remember Carla? Praise baby jesus that she is gone.


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Luckily Diana did NOT make the move to ATL. She took the severance & retired. Marsha DID make the move, which is good cause she was the cool one.
Old 05-31-2010 | 04:20 AM
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On this Memorial Day, lets honor the soldiers though out our Nation's history that have served, fought and perished for the very right we exercise on this board today.
Old 05-31-2010 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chente
On a different note....I'm on the MD88 and am moving to the MD88/90 in CVG in a few days. Is the 90 that much different from the 88 on the line? I'm worried because I dont think the CD (Which I finished about a month ago) is that good.
There is a "MD90 Gouge Sheet" that you will find in the lounge in CVG. It is good info and summarizes most of the info. Some specifics on first walking up to the cockpit include: different min quantities for oil & hydraulics; some differences in preflight of cockpit, ie, TRP; with both packs on cockpit is relatively quiet - inst cooling fan runs when one pack is off; during start the EGT will rise before you see FF and start limits are different- all automatic; when you turn packs back on you will think you shut down something because the cooling fan will quit; on T/O pwr settings are about 10% less than 88; need to carry pwr longer on landing. Just my 2 cents worth. Have fun.
Old 05-31-2010 | 04:43 AM
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I dealt with Diana for years. She was great! I had stay at home days or in base days, lots of early releases and go ahead and get out of here's. In return I always told her if you're ever in a jam give me call, if I can help I will. Well the couple of times she did, I was able to get there and help her out and she'd remember it. Never anything on the sneak but she knew what she had to work with and if coverage was good she took care of me. Always asked how the wife and kiddies were. Sent her flowers the day she retired. For me she was a big help when I was on reserve.
Old 05-31-2010 | 05:01 AM
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I returned in January from a combination of mil leave and two furloughs. Total time out just under 7 years. I was very close to the cumulative military leave limit, even with a combat zone waiver for part of my time. I had quite a bit of mil leave on my records at NWA before I went out on long term mil as well. I had all my documentation lined up and was ready for questions, but never got any. The key, in my opinion, was maintaining contact with the company and letting them know each step along the way when my orders changed for whatever reason. I also made sure I kept a copy of all e-mails regarding my mil leave status.
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