Please take the advise given above. This guy has been a long term problem.

Big Guns, PWA Section 23 A.1 lays out the carry over rotations

"often?"
I call bull****.

Might be a good idea to look at the contract, not just APC, but since I was wondering the same thing... Looks like 7.C.7 says you do get to keep your vacation, unless it conflicts with training, in which case it depends on whether you asked to retain it and whether the company can honor the request, in seniority order.

That's how I read it. How about you?

If I bid a 4 day domestic carry out trip the last day is dropped at least ⅓ of the time. No penalty to the company and no pay protection. Not sure why you would state that is BS. In fact there have been numerous posts by pilots on here about carry out trips getting shortened and losing layovers they wanted. I guess that's all BS also.

Scoop,

I am on my third trip bought off in as many months. Here is how you can tell if it is being bought. On icrew go in and look at your schedule if you see an " L " next to the flight number it is going to be used for training. You usually will see it a couple weeks out but I have had some last minute stuff in the past where part of the trip was bought.

I will say thank you to DALPA for getting rid of the recovery obligation I have done GS flying over 2 of 3 trips and a WS over the other.

Fine shorten or changed, who cares, but why is lengthened even entertained by our union!?

FYI United gets pay protection and spill trips go senior because they can double dip.

Thanks,
I guess I understand a one day extension for international but absolutely not for domestic.

If the L next to the flight number is for a augmented flight to Europe and the note says "TO RECV 7ER TRNS FO TOE"
is the individual pilot qualified during TOE or does the original crew have to stay on the trip?
If the CA goes on break is the student considered qualified to stay?

I just had a 4 day that carried out 2 days in to July shortened to a 3 day. It is now a crappy 3 day worth only 13 and change...

Thanks - that is what I thought.
Scoop :)

If the FO has received Domestic OE than he would be qualified to remain in the seat when the CA goes on break on a international flight. Since the 330 has no, or occasional domestic trip, both of the regular FO's have to stay on the trip to relieve the CA and OE student for their break

Scoop,

Just to add a little to what the others have said.

A few to several days out, the "L" will show up by the flight numbers on the rotation. Usually on all of the flight numbers but not always. Check down in the notes on the rotation and it will say something like "LCA Smith to give initial OE to FO Jones on flights blah, blah blah"

But remember it's not official until scheds officially releases you the night before. My experience is that it's been getting later in the night. Now a days around 1930. Also, that it's not a guarantee you'll be released if an IROP is going on. During the latter part of snowmageddon II they wouldn't release me. Said that they weren't releasing anyone due to the weather (basically if one of the guys can't make it in). So I came in, the LCA released me and that was that.

Then most important, make sure you've got the GS in and ready to go. My record to date for pay vs. hours worked is 33 hours pay for a 1 leg-1 leg SAV layover. Cha-Ching!:D

I was released from a 5 day then got a 5 day GS... 87 hours pay in 5 days! It's better to be lucky then good I say.:D

Winner.........

Same thing happened to me last month...Lost 6 hours. This month the carry over adds an minute. LOL.

Baja.

Damn. Last month I was released from a 4 day and picked up a 2 day greenslip for 42 hours pay for a 2 day. I thought that was good. I need to take lessons from you guys.

Ok, Guys (and girls).
The system does work, I got the days off that I needed to attend her graduation.
A couple lesson Learned,
1, (probably my fault) when you put your OE off day requests in I crew, they are only valid for the month you put them in. So if you put them in for say 16 June but you do it in the May window, which it allowed me to I guess, you must also put that request into the June Month when that window opens up. The Scheduler only looks at the current month and it drops out when the next Month starts. IE my May request for xx Jun dropped out when Jun started.

2, The Chief Line Check Pilot is the go to guy on this, the OE scheduler works for the CLCP, not the Fleet Captain.

I got the day off and they gave me a PD for it, which is fine as I was not trying to get paid for a trip that I couldn't fly anyways.

Bottom line, watch that OE scheduler like a hawk, be proactive, and then when it all goes to shxt anyways, the CLPC is the go to reasonable guy.

And yes I will be critiquing the whole thing, so maybe someone will finally listen and change the process or the individual involved in the process.

I am about to deal with the same person. How do you put oe request in I crew? I can't find it.

Top I crew under personal, then Training VTS, then Training OE Days Off.

Enjoy the graduation! That was a big investment, you should at least get to see your daughter walk.

Thank you for the insight as we all know OE planning is a nebulous process sometimes.

If you were referring to a particular scheduler (no names) that perhaps dealt with TOEs, I am surprised they are still doing this particular job. There was one in the '08-'10 time frame that cost the company a lot of $$$$$.

Pilots sitting around getting paid to grow beards. We like. :D

Delta, not so much. :mad:

Just, maybe not like this though. It's not really, let's say, fashionable?

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Thank you!

Oh man! don't get me started......

Ooohhhhhh. I figured you'd say that.

If it gets me started, you are definitely getting started.

The more that comes out about this, the worse it gets.

Idiots!

What? Give the guy a duck and a bandana and he'd be a reality show millionaire.

No kidding! I just saw that the hometown in Idaho cancelled the welcome home celebration.

What a bunch of bumbling, ignorant morons. When every member of a guy's unit wants him thrown into Leavenworth, that's pretty much game over. What an incredible miscalculation.

Hey Manager,

How's the jet and the line treating you?

OK... who's the dude in the picture?

Bowe Bergdahl's dad.

Hmmmmm. About the jet and the line. The line is great. But man they put a lot of time in it. Got to school myself on PBS mo' better. Something about putting less than signs instead of greater than signs in the wrong place. Doh! BTW, check your V file next week.

The aero plane, well:

Previous post from someone else:


The 737-800/900 isn't as awesome as I thought. Now if mainline only had the big EJets at mainline, with mainline pilots....


My reply, regarding the 73n:



No, you are absolutely right. It's not.

I recently left the 757 for the 73n "family"

Here is how I see it. 75 is like an extraordinary, classy woman. She looks great even standing still. She is also obedient, graceful and very worldly. Kind of like a prima ballerina assoluta. If you ask something from her, she complies, and she can do most anything you can ever dream of. The 757 is quite, roomy and is civilized.

Landing a 757 is as satisfying as it gets. One can still coax it gently onto the ground and easily stop in SNA before the end without wild gyrations and excessive deceleration. That is what eight wheels, fantastic brakes, and an exquisite wing that provides exceptional low speed handling characteristics provide. The 757 is grace defined.

The 737-800, and the miscarriage of an attempted offspring, the 900.

First of all, they are like argumentative and defiant women. Ask it to fly a particular speed, good luck. "Make me!" They are untrustworthy and will constantly work against what you ask of them. They are loud and brash, much like women who constantly feel like they have to shout and raise the tone of their voice.

They are like the older woman who has passed the cougar stage and are spiraling on the way down. Their day was in the 80's. No amount of Botox, filler, or silicone can mask this fact. One look at the continued overhead and the recall blunder decades after the introduction of EICAs exposes that.

Landing this swine is worse. The highest approach speeds ever for an aircraft that have leading edge devices. There is no smoothness and finessing here. You have to be firm with this disobedient troll. You must slap it around and assert yourself. Sometimes choking this airplane out slightly or perhaps a careless inadvertent cigarette burn to bring it in line. It must be firmly landed. It must then be diligently and assertively stopped with every ounce of reverse and every effort on braking. Particularly if wetness is involved. You will always see the end of the runway on takeoff or landing. Not so with the 757. Oh, and be careful cause this airplane bruises easily on her a$$ and you'd never want to be involved in leaving a mark there!

Finally, this plane has no stamina or strength. 900 can't climb. 900 can't do range. Thanks Boeing.

Welcome to the replacement aircraft for the 757.

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Ok, good writing... both funny and depressing at the same time ;)

Quick 117 question. I'm trying to back a trip to a current trip. Current trip has a 29:50 layover(10 mins shy):( First trip gets me into base about 1430 and the trip I want departs about 1500 the next day with a DH to a layover. Does the DH day count as duty or would I be good with the base layover + DH only day to reset my 30/168? Hope this makes sense. Thanks

Haha! Yep!

Landing the 73N:

1. Don't do anything until you hear "20 feet."

2. Don't pull the power until you see 2 feet.

3. Flare-ish but not really.

4. Stomp on the brakes until it stops.

Piece I' cake. ;)

You are so right. My LCA, really nice guy. Insisted on my first landing that I only "landed" once.

Said, "Oh, what you felt was the struts extending a little."

Bull sh!t. I could have logged two for sure.

You ever fly the maddog? Would love to hear your take on that beauty.

This is going to be the exclamation point on Obama's legacy. This will be talked about for quite awhile as each time one of those five is involved in an attack, this will go through another nasty postmortem.

Side note. Idaho. Interesting residence choice. There are certain groups that have sought refuge there they probably are not welcoming, let's just say.

That's why I love the 73! I flew the Mad Dog.

Oh yeah, trained on it for longer than I actually flew it on the line. I had a displacement to Express before I even started.

Wicked crazy.

True story. On the IOE, flight, LCA demonstrated first leg like they always seem to do. On descent into one of our hubs, he was explaining how one needs to pay particular attention to level offs. Especially in the approach environment.

Well, guess what. On cue, the Honey Badger struck. While being vectored on and descending, it decided it only wanted to do one task. Not both.

Let's just say that the FOs quick acceptance of a visual approach was very timely.

In those 3 weeks, I never saw more MCOs except for the summer of '00 on the 727.

I've been scarred for life though. I don't think I could ever do the Honey Badger again. I'd rather take my chances with Fifi.

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THIS!
(+ it's in LAX)


Cheers
George

Didn't he also recently say he wouldn't rest until every taliban prisioner was freed? Not to mention his special little pseudo conquistador "prayer" he belted out in front of a smiling president.

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing, but this dude went off the rails.

The most interesting thing about it all by far is it was clearly a unilateral (not to mention illegal) distration from that other tiny little veteran issue that up until this "story" broke was front page news. Now suddenly in the chaff of this epic miscalulation some heat has been taken off that for a little while, only for it to become the mother of all backfires and an even bigger scandal than what it was deployed to de-emphasise in the first place, and as a bonus ends up ticking off veterans as well.

This is worse than an unplugged teleprompter. This is worse than an unplugged telepromoter with Will Ferrell.