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Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 1777896)
I probably need to call scheduling on this one, but I'd like to at least think I know the answer before I ask the question.
I finish IOE on the 19th of December. My reserve obligation ends on 20 December. I have a golden day on 21 December. Is it possible to be assigned a trip on 20 December? My logic: Long call starts at 12:01 on 20 December. If I am assigned short call the earliest they can do it is 10am, plus 2 hours to get to airport which means noon. Since the following day is a golden day, I am released at noon. Is my logic sound? Just trying to figure out if I need to commute to my crash pad in NYC or if I can safely chill out at the house with no legal reserve obligation. |
Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 1777856)
How is that better than the old rules?
* I wasn't at Delta so can't speak to whether this was possible with the old contract but it was possible at all three companies previous to Delta. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1777755)
Does anyone else think its lame that domestically we only get meals above a 5:30 Block? Showing up at the gate 1 hour prior on a 4-5 hour block can often lead to 6-7 hours without a meal.
Here we are as a company making a great profit - partially due to the sacrifices and concessions made by this Pilot group. Obviously we expect a restoration in regards to pay but what about some simple QOL items like a hot meal if they are being served to Business class? I believe our MEC Chairman said something about "The best Contract." Well American guys get meals and I believe they kept their meals even through the BK. I think it is quite reasonable to expect a meal if it is already being provided for the business class passengers. Hell they are already loading 12-24 meals why not just load 2 more. I realize that some Pilots do not like the crew meals and would prefer to bring/purchase food and that is fine but we should have the option of a hot meal if one is already being served to our passengers. Scoop I always mention this in the surveys. I'm obviously in the minority. Lower the limit to 3 hours, or make sure we at least get breakfast for those o-dark-thirty-everything-is-closed-except-for-Starbucks-and-therefore-the-line-is-thirty-deep mornings. |
Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 1777896)
I probably need to call scheduling on this one, but I'd like to at least think I know the answer before I ask the question.
I finish IOE on the 19th of December. My reserve obligation ends on 20 December. I have a golden day on 21 December. Is it possible to be assigned a trip on 20 December? My logic: Long call starts at 12:01 on 20 December. If I am assigned short call the earliest they can do it is 10am, plus 2 hours to get to airport which means noon. Since the following day is a golden day, I am released at noon. Is my logic sound? Just trying to figure out if I need to commute to my crash pad in NYC or if I can safely chill out at the house with no legal reserve obligation. |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1777959)
The New Hire Mentors are very good with issues like this. Do you have one?
Originally Posted by BlainO
I know a Pilot Scheduler and we discussed your scenario last week (I just came off OE). Your logic is correct, but you should confirm with scheduling the night before because they may miss your Golden Day and (wrongfully) try to fly you. They're not perfect. Just talk to the schedulers about what you're doing. They'll confirm you don't need to come in, and you'll have the conversation recorded, too. That probably holds more weight than "a guy on APC said I could do it."
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I decided I'd rather look like a dumb*ss than not get my item back. I appear to have left an e-reader on my DH flight into ATL yesterday. I've already filled out the standard lost and found document online, is there a more direct way I can try and contact the company to see if the item was returned? The e-reader was left on a plane that arrive in ATL and I'm overnighting in ATL tonight, so if there is an airport pickup and/or phone number that would be awesome. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 1777975)
LIKE ^^
I always mention this in the surveys. I'm obviously in the minority. Lower the limit to 3 hours, or make sure we at least get breakfast for those o-dark-thirty-everything-is-closed-except-for-Starbucks-and-therefore-the-line-is-thirty-deep mornings. |
Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 1777986)
Yes and he's been very helpful. He wasn't 100% sure on this particular question and recommended I call scheduling. Folks here have a vast amount of experience and it would just enhance my SA if I knew how others had handled the same/similar situations.
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 1778006)
The e-reader was left on a plane that arrive in ATL and I'm overnighting in ATL tonight, so if there is an airport pickup and/or phone number that would be awesome. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1778021)
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Originally Posted by SawF16
(Post 1777919)
Careful- your logic here is only sound if you arent placed on short call. They can put you on 1000 short call and call you for a trip reporting at anytime during your one day, as long as they put it on your schedule before noon. That is- they call you at 10:15, tell you you have a 1300 report that blocks in at 2315- totally within the bounds of the contract. Nevermind the fact that they could give you a report time before noon and just say "get here ASAP".
If there is no further work on your last on call day prior to hard no fly day at noon, then you are released. Doesnt necessarily mean you have to be started by noon. If they dont put you on short call, same applies, they can theoretically call you at 0300 for a 1500 report, as long as it fits in your one day footprint. Based on whether they could fit a one day trip in, you can start to feel more comfortable, but not off the hook until noon. Im not saying any of these is probable, but they are possible. According to the folks at contract admin, your short call scenario may no longer be correct. A short call assignment on your last day prior to a hard no fly day must report prior to noon. It is no longer true that you simply have to get the call or have it placed on your sked prior to noon. I have spoken with them about this a couple of times in the past. (Best to call them and verify to be sure that what I am saying has not changed) Your long call scenario is correct. They could call at 0300 with a 1500 report as a long call assignment. The 1200 latest-report "protection" does not apply as it does with a short call . Again, I have verified that with contract admin in the past, but dyod with them to ensure it has not changed. Allot of folks are not aware of the latest report on short call (prior to hard no fly) change (I wasn't either) and could be making extra bucks if you get assigned a report time after 1200. |
Originally Posted by BlaneO
(Post 1777982)
I know a Pilot Scheduler and we discussed your scenario last week (I just came off OE). Your logic is correct, but you should confirm with scheduling the night before because they may miss your Golden Day and (wrongfully) try to fly you. They're not perfect. Just talk to the schedulers about what you're doing. They'll confirm you don't need to come in, and you'll have the conversation recorded, too. That probably holds more weight than "a guy on APC said I could do it."
Yep, watch for this as well. They sometimes do forget to put the 1200 release prior to a hard no fly day at times. |
Originally Posted by BlaneO
(Post 1777982)
I know a Pilot Scheduler and we discussed your scenario last week (I just came off OE). Your logic is correct, but you should confirm with scheduling the night before because they may miss your Golden Day and (wrongfully) try to fly you. They're not perfect. Just talk to the schedulers about what you're doing. They'll confirm you don't need to come in, and you'll have the conversation recorded, too. That probably holds more weight than "a guy on APC said I could do it."
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Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 1778036)
It doesn't hurt to rub noses with crew sked early in your career.. Get a good rep... will pay dividends later on. Dem boys and girls control the world.
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Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 1777856)
How is that better than the old rules?
First of all the "old rules" didn't provide for meals anyway. Secondly, I'd rather do 8:45 block in a shorter duty day and have 10 hour min rest with 8 min sleep opportunity (usually a min of 9 behind the door for me) than the old 8:00 block, where you could go over unlimited, and only 8:00 of "rest" that included local transportation. 117 isn't perfect, but its way better than the old rules in most cases. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1778062)
117 isn't perfect, but its way better than the old rules in most cases.
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Thank you for your reply. I have been flying UAL lately, they seem to have a problem matching pilots and equipment.
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1778063)
Kind of. Several trips have 3 legs over 8 hrs block on day 4 after an all nighter on night 2. Add in early wake ups on the east coast for a west coast crew and it sucks. That's when I curse 117.
117 isn't perfect, but it is light years better than the old rules in almost every case. To be clear, the rules are still not where they need to be and there is still opportunity to limit pushing abuse. But it is far better than what we had before. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1778066)
While that is rough, the old rules also had constant circadian flips with late reports late flying min rest red eyes day sleeps and long last days. I'd rather face an 8:45 last day that couldn't be extended to 9:01 after a night of at least 10 hours rest and 9 behind the door than the old rules of 8:00 block that could be extended infinitely on a 16 hour duty day with only 8 hours of so called rest "on the ground" with maybe 5 hours of sleep the night before.
117 isn't perfect, but it is light years better than the old rules in almost every case. To be clear, the rules are still not where they need to be and there is still opportunity to limit pushing abuse. But it is far better than what we had before. <BREAK> How does one book positive space DH deviation on the FRONT end of a trip? Search function on travelnet didn't help. Thanks |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1778072)
I think we agree on that for the most part.
<BREAK> How does one book positive space DH deviation on the FRONT end of a trip? Search function on travelnet didn't help. Thanks |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1778072)
How does one book positive space DH deviation on the FRONT end of a trip? Search function on travelnet didn't help. Thanks From the Scheduling Reference Handbook (Bold is mine): Deviating from scheduled deadhead at the beginning of a rotation: • Report to the airport of departure of the first non-deadhead segment at least one hour prior to scheduled departure time (non-ocean-crossing) or 1½ hours prior to scheduled departure time (ocean crossing). Exception: Report for flights to/from Hawaii one hour prior to scheduled departure time. • A regular pilot reporting in such a manner must notify Crew Scheduling of his intention to deviate during the 24 hours immediately preceding the report time for the originally scheduled deadhead segment. • A reserve pilot must receive permission from Crew Scheduling to deviate at the beginning of a rotation. • Positive Space Transportation (Section 8.E.8): A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel from his base, or from a domestic airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence, at the beginning of a rotation will be provided positive space on-line transportation if: a. Company Business travel can be booked in TravelNet without overbooking, b. the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base, c. the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments originally scheduled, d. the routing is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8.E.5, and e. the routing provides for a subsequent flight that is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8.E.5 if the pilot’s originally scheduled routing provided for such a subsequent flight. Note one: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E.8 may attempt his booking at any time within 14 days of the report of his rotation. Note two: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation that does not satisfy the requirements of Section 8.E.8 will be responsible for his transportation. Note three: A pilot who is provided a positive space reservation for an offrotation deadhead under Section 8.E. 8. will make every effort to cancel such reservation in TravelNet if the pilot no longer requires or intends to use the reservation. |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1778072)
I think we agree on that for the most part.
<BREAK> How does one book positive space DH deviation on the FRONT end of a trip? Search function on travelnet didn't help. Thanks |
Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 1777896)
I probably need to call scheduling on this one, but I'd like to at least think I know the answer before I ask the question.
I finish IOE on the 19th of December. My reserve obligation ends on 20 December. I have a golden day on 21 December. Is it possible to be assigned a trip on 20 December? My logic: Long call starts at 12:01 on 20 December. If I am assigned short call the earliest they can do it is 10am, plus 2 hours to get to airport which means noon. Since the following day is a golden day, I am released at noon. Is my logic sound? Just trying to figure out if I need to commute to my crash pad in NYC or if I can safely chill out at the house with no legal reserve obligation. I see you already have received some good advice above. I will only add that unless you are specifically told that you are released by scheduling and have no obligation I would commute in. If by some chance you were given a trip and happened to miss your very first trip after IOE you would be instantly infamous - not something you want to achieve as a new hire. Remember, your whole probationary period is a time for an "abundance of caution" and you should find yourself being extra conservative in all such matters as discussed above. Welcome aboard! :) Scoop |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1778086)
Book it in Coach only under Company Business in Travelnet.
From the Scheduling Reference Handbook (Bold is mine): I highly recommend all Pilots download this and keep it handy. Very useful. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1778092)
Mike,
I see you already have received some good advice above. I will only add that unless you are specifically told that you are released by scheduling and have no obligation I would commute in. If by some chance you were given a trip and happened to miss your very first trip after IOE you would be instantly infamous - not something you want to achieve as a new hire. Remember, your whole probationary period is a time for an "abundance of caution" and you should find yourself being extra conservative in all such matters as discussed above. Welcome aboard! :) Scoop Yep, that is what it ultimately boils down to for the new-hires. Now is not the time to be threading the needle. Unless it is a potential FAR violation-type matter, best to lay low. |
Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 1778006)
I decided I'd rather look like a dumb*ss than not get my item back. I appear to have left an e-reader on my DH flight into ATL yesterday. I've already filled out the standard lost and found document online, is there a more direct way I can try and contact the company to see if the item was returned? The e-reader was left on a plane that arrive in ATL and I'm overnighting in ATL tonight, so if there is an airport pickup and/or phone number that would be awesome. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1777755)
Does anyone else think its lame that domestically we only get meals above a 5:30 Block? Showing up at the gate 1 hour prior on a 4-5 hour block can often lead to 6-7 hours without a meal.
Here we are as a company making a great profit - partially due to the sacrifices and concessions made by this Pilot group. Obviously we expect a restoration in regards to pay but what about some simple QOL items like a hot meal if they are being served to Business class? I believe our MEC Chairman said something about "The best Contract." Well American guys get meals and I believe they kept their meals even through the BK. I think it is quite reasonable to expect a meal if it is already being provided for the business class passengers. Hell they are already loading 12-24 meals why not just load 2 more. I realize that some Pilots do not like the crew meals and would prefer to bring/purchase food and that is fine but we should have the option of a hot meal if one is already being served to our passengers. Scoop I don't think the airline is going to be concerned. Look at the FAs. As much as some hoard food and carry seven bags there are those who don't and they can't get off the plane to save their lives. Wish there was cheaper and better prepared grab and go options. The current ones are not good and cost more than a meal at a restaurant with drinks and a tip. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1778092)
Mike,
I see you already have received some good advice above. I will only add that unless you are specifically told that you are released by scheduling and have no obligation I would commute in. If by some chance you were given a trip and happened to miss your very first trip after IOE you would be instantly infamous - not something you want to achieve as a new hire. Remember, your whole probationary period is a time for an "abundance of caution" and you should find yourself being extra conservative in all such matters as discussed above. Welcome aboard! :) Scoop
Originally Posted by Ragtop Day
(Post 1778104)
There is a Delta lost and found office in the ATL baggage claim area. I don't know if it is staffed at all hours. If it has your name or employee # on it be sure to check the ATL CPO, they have a lost and found as well.
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Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 1777791)
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_as...279/133329.gif vs Jameis http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9581/dsw.gif I think there needs to be an avatar bet between Satchip and 80. I've got 22 days left to get rid of mine. |
Is anyone famiar with the folks that run the bidding service...the former eazybid lady guru?
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Looks like a rotation history option has been added to iCrew under Open Time. Enter the rotation number and date under "Optional Selections," and then click on "Pilot History."
Very useful feature! Transparency is good. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1778143)
So it'll probably be Saban
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_as...279/133329.gif vs Jameis http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9581/dsw.gif I think there needs to be an avatar bet between Satchip and 80. I've got 22 days left to get rid of mine. We gotta hunt some ducks first to get to Saban! |
5 Day Trips
Guys,
Look for 5 day trips coming to most domestic categories starting in February. Supposedly a small percentage of trips, maybe 10%. Although I don't intend to bid 5 day trips, in general the more variety the better. Most commuters who can hold them would easily be able to fly three trips now and break 75 Hours. :D Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1778286)
Guys,
Look for 5 day trips coming to most domestic categories Any guess on which categories will be spared from this insanity? :eek: |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1778143)
So it'll probably be Saban
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_as...279/133329.gif vs Jameis http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9581/dsw.gif I think there needs to be an avatar bet between Satchip and 80. I've got 22 days left to get rid of mine. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1778290)
Scoop, thanks for the scoop.
Any guess on which categories will be spared from this insanity? :eek: Not sure. I think the plan is to align the legacy south domestic categories with the legacy north domestic categories. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1778286)
Guys,
Look for 5 day trips coming to most domestic categories starting in February. Supposedly a small percentage of trips, maybe 10%. Although I don't intend to bid 5 day trips, in general the more variety the better. Most commuters who can hold them would easily be able to fly three trips now and break 75 Hours. :D Scoop Should be required to make them commutable if they are going to build them. Nothing like a 5 day with an 0730 report day one and a release at 1930 on day 5. |
Thanks LL and Elvis for the info!
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1778308)
Well, after 117 most of the 5-days suck. The very few that are commutable do go senior, but the rest go to the bottom lineholders or reserves that want nothing to do with them.
Should be required to make them commutable if they are going to build them. Nothing like a 5 day with an 0730 report day one and a release at 1930 on day 5. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1778308)
Well, after 117 most of the 5-days suck. The very few that are commutable do go senior, but the rest go to the bottom lineholders or reserves that want nothing to do with them.
Should be required to make them commutable if they are going to build them. Nothing like a 5 day with an 0730 report day one and a release at 1930 on day 5. It seems to me that a 5-day has a better chance of being commutable than a 4-day. |
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