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08-07-2010 | 04:10 PM
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From: DAL FO
So you are replaced on a trip for OE and are notified of the dropped trip without any replacement flying (so far). Just how "available" do you have to be to be assigned recovery flying? I couldn't quite nail that down reading the PWA. When and how often are you required to answer the phone/check your line and for how long? Anyone?
From "When Scheduling Calls":
When a First Officer is removed from all or part of his rotation for
another pilot’s OE, Section 23 G. 5 recovery rules apply.
Section 23 G.5 from the PWA:
5. An LCP may remove a First Officer from a rotation or any portion thereof for the purpose
of conducting OE.
a. If the First Officer is removed from his entire rotation, he will be guaranteed pay and
credit for the scheduled credit of such rotation, and will be subject to recovery flying.
The Company will attempt to notify the pilot of his removal and any assigned
recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to the report time of his originally scheduled
rotation.
If a notification attempt is not made at least 12 hours prior to the scheduled
report of his originally scheduled rotation, the pilot will have no recovery obligation.
The pilot will be subject to recovery flying as follows:
1) A pilot who has acknowledged his recovery flying no later than three hours prior
to the report time of his originally scheduled rotation:
a) must be scheduled to be released no later than four hours from the scheduled
release of his original rotation, or the same calendar day, whichever is later.
b) may be scheduled for a single recovery rotation that originates on any day of
the originally scheduled rotation.
c) may not be scheduled for recovery flying which reports prior to his originally
scheduled report time.
d) may enter his preferences for recovery flying in the PCS template in DBMS.
He will be assigned rotations based on his preferences for such flying, in
seniority order, within days-of-availability groupings, unless he is the only
such pilot available to fly another rotation within the same days-of-availability
grouping.
Note: If the assignment to recovery flying is being made within 24 hours of the
scheduled report of the originally scheduled rotation and the recovery flying
reports on the same day as the originally scheduled rotation, such pilot will only
be assigned a rotation after white slips in
of conducting OE.
a. If the First Officer is removed from his entire rotation, he will be guaranteed pay and
credit for the scheduled credit of such rotation, and will be subject to recovery flying.
The Company will attempt to notify the pilot of his removal and any assigned
recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to the report time of his originally scheduled
rotation.
If a notification attempt is not made at least 12 hours prior to the scheduled
report of his originally scheduled rotation, the pilot will have no recovery obligation.
The pilot will be subject to recovery flying as follows:
1) A pilot who has acknowledged his recovery flying no later than three hours prior
to the report time of his originally scheduled rotation:
a) must be scheduled to be released no later than four hours from the scheduled
release of his original rotation, or the same calendar day, whichever is later.
b) may be scheduled for a single recovery rotation that originates on any day of
the originally scheduled rotation.
c) may not be scheduled for recovery flying which reports prior to his originally
scheduled report time.
d) may enter his preferences for recovery flying in the PCS template in DBMS.
He will be assigned rotations based on his preferences for such flying, in
seniority order, within days-of-availability groupings, unless he is the only
such pilot available to fly another rotation within the same days-of-availability
grouping.
Note: If the assignment to recovery flying is being made within 24 hours of the
scheduled report of the originally scheduled rotation and the recovery flying
reports on the same day as the originally scheduled rotation, such pilot will only
be assigned a rotation after white slips in
Section 23 N. 2. If the recovery flying
reports on a calendar day subsequent to the date of the originally scheduled
rotation, such assignment will be made prior to any assignments made under
reports on a calendar day subsequent to the date of the originally scheduled
rotation, such assignment will be made prior to any assignments made under
Section 23 N. 1.
2) If the pilot has not acknowledged his recovery flying three hours prior to the
report of his originally scheduled rotation, the pilot is subject to recovery flying
under
report of his originally scheduled rotation, the pilot is subject to recovery flying
under
Section 23 K. 1. If the recovery flying includes a transoceanic duty period
as the last duty period of the rotation, the release time of the recovery flying will
be no more than 30 hours after the originally scheduled rotation
b. If the First Officer is removed after flying a portion of such rotation, he:
1) will be guaranteed pay and credit for the greater of:
a) the scheduled credit of such rotation, or
b) his accumulated credit for the portion of such rotation flown.
2) may be rerouted under Section 23 L.
as the last duty period of the rotation, the release time of the recovery flying will
be no more than 30 hours after the originally scheduled rotation
b. If the First Officer is removed after flying a portion of such rotation, he:
1) will be guaranteed pay and credit for the greater of:
a) the scheduled credit of such rotation, or
b) his accumulated credit for the portion of such rotation flown.
2) may be rerouted under Section 23 L.
c. If the First Officer is removed from a portion of his rotation beginning with the first
flight segment, he:
1) will be guaranteed pay and credit for the greater of:
a) the scheduled credit of such rotation, or
b) his accumulated credit for the portion of such rotation flown.
2) may be assigned to:
a) deadhead to any portion of such rotation, or
b) fly any portion of such rotation.
d. If a First Officer is so removed from an augmented crew, the senior First Officer will
have the option of being removed or flying the rotation, provided he notifies the
Company of his choice at the time of the first attempted contact to advise of the
removal. If the senior First Officer is unavailable for contact, he will be the First
Officer who is removed unless he has indicated a preference in DBMS to not be
removed.flight segment, he:
1) will be guaranteed pay and credit for the greater of:
a) the scheduled credit of such rotation, or
b) his accumulated credit for the portion of such rotation flown.
2) may be assigned to:
a) deadhead to any portion of such rotation, or
b) fly any portion of such rotation.
d. If a First Officer is so removed from an augmented crew, the senior First Officer will
have the option of being removed or flying the rotation, provided he notifies the
Company of his choice at the time of the first attempted contact to advise of the
removal. If the senior First Officer is unavailable for contact, he will be the First
Officer who is removed unless he has indicated a preference in DBMS to not be
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08-07-2010 | 04:16 PM
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From: DAL FO
Sounds like you only need to check your messages 12 hours prior. I don't see anything that indicates you have to check in or be constantly contactable by phone.
Sounds like a good deal. Here's hoping they leave you alone
Sounds like a good deal. Here's hoping they leave you alone
08-07-2010 | 04:18 PM
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Hey. How do the Compass and Mesaba guys get their seniority at DAL?
Does their seniority carry over or do they go by their SSN's?
Also, when they get held back then return for a class can they exercise their seniority to bid a higher paying a/c if they can hold it. Or, do they have to keep what they got in the initial class?
Does their seniority carry over or do they go by their SSN's?
Also, when they get held back then return for a class can they exercise their seniority to bid a higher paying a/c if they can hold it. Or, do they have to keep what they got in the initial class?
NewK,
Even though they won't be physically present in the class I think they'll get a seniority number. When they do finally go to class I'm sure they'll get 1st pick of what's available for that class.
At NWA many just went straight to the 320, but we did have the APA system and most of us 07/08 hires held the 320 before we got done with DC9 initial.
08-07-2010 | 04:22 PM
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Must be all those great ideas that come out of PME. Thanks
08-07-2010 | 04:36 PM
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NewK,
Even though they won't be physically present in the class I think they'll get a seniority number. When they do finally go to class I'm sure they'll get 1st pick of what's available for that class.
At NWA many just went straight to the 320, but we did have the APA system and most of us 07/08 hires held the 320 before we got done with DC9 initial.
Even though they won't be physically present in the class I think they'll get a seniority number. When they do finally go to class I'm sure they'll get 1st pick of what's available for that class.
At NWA many just went straight to the 320, but we did have the APA system and most of us 07/08 hires held the 320 before we got done with DC9 initial.
They are picking from the class drop I just posted. A letter was sent to them earlier this week.
08-07-2010 | 04:42 PM
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08-07-2010 | 04:42 PM
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Hah. My military days are well behind me so I have no idea what it is called in hte present day Air Force. From what I've been hearing it should be called UAV drop...
08-07-2010 | 04:47 PM
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The letter didnt mention that to my knowledge. Ill try and find out. I would think they would have the same rights as any other delta pilot?
08-07-2010 | 06:06 PM
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I'm not being clear - here's an example: this class has no 7ER slots. So the Mesaba/Compass can't pick that. But, lets say in 3 months the class they show up for DOES have 7ER slots. Can they bid those? Or are they stuck with what they picked earlier?
Here's a question - An AE comes out between their "phantom" class and real class date. Can the Mesaba/Compass guys bid that and get awarded something from that?
08-07-2010 | 06:24 PM
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Is anybody else in the Sept 6th recall class? If so, have you gotten your packet of info yet? Or frankly any hard info yet?
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