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Old 12-09-2010, 07:07 AM
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4) Change structure of IP's to have them do both Sim and LCP on a rotating basis, ex. 3 months in the Sims, 3 months on the line.
Oh HELL no!....
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:09 AM
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Oh HELL no!....
And HELL HELL NO !!!!
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:11 AM
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Oh HELL no!....
Seriously - why not?
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:17 AM
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Seriously - why not?
In a nutshell without detail, increased costs! Pie is only so big and we have to improve all areas of contract and in my opinion that would be at the very bottom of my wish list.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:21 AM
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I know nothing about this.. and not trying to start any kind of rumor, but I'd bet a dozen doughnuts that this is precisely one of the reasons that DAL has not moved the 747 to ATL. Can you imagine the upheaval on the seniority list??? After the fences come down, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen... Then it's one for all.. LOL
Urban myth. Most are hanging around for:

a) they have waited 20 yrs for the ability to fly the 744, and many are getting it just prior to 60 and want to fly it for a few years.

b) more significantly the break even on working for "free" vs. retiring got seriously biased towards 65 with the DAL cost of retiree medical prior to medicare/SS eligibilty.

The "screw the RB guys" is just good BS talk for why they are really hanging around. As to ATL 744 I'm guessing they are staying in DTW because RA has stated that it will be the primary Asia gateway.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:26 AM
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In a nutshell without detail, increased costs! Pie is only so big and we have to improve all areas of contract and in my opinion that would be at the very bottom of my wish list.
Reducing redundancy is increasing costs? Seems more like protecting somebodies fiefdom when we could have an improved product and a bigger piece of the pie elsewhere.


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Old 12-09-2010, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL View Post
Reducing redundancy is increasing costs? Seems more like protecting a fiefdom when we could have an improved product and a bigger piece of the pie elsewhere.


Love the picture but most of our instructors are either F/O's or retired guys and our LCA's are line pilots. The increased costs using LCA's would be significant and I don't think using f/o's and retired guys for OE's and Line Checks would go over very well. No fiefdom to protect just don't see any benefits to your proposal.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:51 AM
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OK, thought most SLI Instructors were A's
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Actually I think the costs would go down with an integrated training system and the training would be more effective and efficient. The overall numbers of instructors would go down.
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