I was there yesterday and voted in favor. Why? Because I see this as a way to possibly get some of the 76 seat jets back to mainline. Oh, and the pilots would come too. ACL, were you sitting in front of me holding on to the list of proxies?? Wish I made it to Spondivits but my lil guy broke his arm the other day and still needs daddy to wipe his butt. Stupid monkey bars!!!

Slow,

This is a journey......I don't think anyone has any illusions that this will be long and hard, but I believe having the Compass pilots and their jets on our list is the right thing to do. I think we have a window of opportunity right now where the company needs us to do something too. Keep your eye on the big picture.

I'm not surprised at ACL's description of getting a document done in the hallway.

Ferd

Lots of people had proxies. Not just I.

I did not go either. I had to get to some family business as well. Life moves outside of this as well.

Ferd,

I've got my eye squarely on the big picture. Done by itself, adding CPZ to the Delta list does nothing to enhance scope protection for all Delta pilots. Delta pilots do not own that 76 flying with our scope clause. It's permitted to be flown by contract pilots with up to 153 76 seat jets at current numbers, and 255 total 70-76 seaters. The majority of those jets aren't at CPZ, and are under contract to DAL through 2017. Until that point is addressed, adding CPZ to the list creates Delta pilot hostages and whipsaws mainline Delta pilots against contract pilots. (You can look at the Delta annual report for verification of the numbers).

Look at MidWest for an example of the cost of not owning flying.

While the intentions and beliefs of the resolution writers may be pure, reality is different. Until we (Delta pilots) own the flying, adding unsustainable, unsupportable hostages isn't on my list of things to do.

That is a necessary step as well. We are not blind to this. It was silent on the issue so that the MEC can negotiate correctly.

All the big talk is great, but if the company really sees the 76 seat market as a non growth market past these approved jets, then they will be willing to give us the flying and the changes to section 1 that we desire.

One question that I was going to ask but we ran out of time was this.

Is it then DALPA's goal to keep DCI wages down to keep this flying productive at that level. That in itself is an interesting question.

The bottom line is that pilots here want to see union leadership set a course to fight the cancer which has taken so many of our jobs. Instead of just pointing out the problems while others try to find a solution they should be working to come up with a plan to recover Delta flying. I've seen very, very little regard for that in all my years here. More like an acceptance that it's happening and an occasional attempt to slow the exodus of jobs. I don't care where you are on the list, your pay and job security are adversely affected by the lowest bidder flying Delta passengers.

Heyas ACL,

This same resolution is going to be passed at MEM, MSP and DTW. In DTW, it is actually an announced agenda item, so proxies will be permitted.

With three large councils, as well as a small council, supporting this, it's going to be VERY tough for Moak to sweep this under the rug.

Shoot me a PM. I'd be very interested in the skinny on the politics that went on at the 44 meeting, if you have any.

Nu

[quote=acl65pilot;578175]That is a necessary step as well. We are not blind to this. It was silent on the issue so that the MEC can negotiate correctly.

Just remember Fella's - In the land of the blind - the one eyed man is King!

:) Scoop

Slow,

Are you intentionally mixing apples and oranges in order to kill the idea? No one disagrees that integration without resolving (rolling back) 76 seat limits is dangerous.

The resolution was to "study and evaluate" possible integration, and in the mean time simply not change the representational structure. Ditto MSP.

Regardless of whether we eventually recapture the 76 seat, integrate or not, keeping CPZ on the MEC protects DAL pilots by ensuring the integrity of the flow, and more importantly, has the DAL MEC protecting DAL pilots that might flow down to CPZ.

Are you aware that a pilot terminated at CPZ loses reemployment rights at DAL? Do you think a a bunch of PO'd pilots losing their seats from sen#1 down might be tempted to play some games? Do you think and independent CPZ MEC, might do less than their very best to represent a furloughed DAL pilot?

This is about protecting DAL pilots and DAL jobs. Now.

The integration question is way down the road after other issues have been resolved. No where near beginning to address that at this juncture.