That's why I withheld my smart alecky comment. I won't jump the gun, so I'm just watching, observing and reminding you guys what you said. ;)

OK, now looking at this slide, how can DAL not furlough?

AK is adding jets and will have their furloughees back off the street by this time next year.

I gotta go with Nu on his assesment.

Scambo:

2007-2011.

We have 134 less pilots today than we did at the SLI, and retirements are starting to kick in. They are not going to furlough. Look at the math.

I will pull what jets are gone, but most are the DC-9 30's and 40's a few 767 that were sold and or scrapped, the 742's and a few others. Look at the date range. We are not talking YOY!

Take it easy with the "F" word, there are junior guys that quit breathing when they see this stuff. The chart shows 2007 vs. 2011. We've already had the reduction, or the bulk of it. I posted earlier, after listening to the webcast, and the worst case scenario seems to be minus 15 airframes from where we are now, but Bastian seems to be intentionally fuzzy with his numbers.

Oh, God, now I'm in sync with ACL...

I knew you had it in you :D

Sorry-didn't realize this was Christmas.

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Thank you for counter acting the pessimists with facts. Anything is always subject to change, but this presentation does not indicate the need to furlough. I feel out management team is being smart with their approach to hiring. A little at a time.

Slow, I PMd you my phone number. No need for name calling.

• When I was based in NYC I raised the issue with my reps/candidates there
• When I was based in MSP I raised the issue with my reps there
• Because this was about LAX and I was in the process of changing my council affiliation to LAX to prevent being "handed around" I raised the issue with those I was in the process of making my permanent reps.

If contacting my designated reps constitutes "shopping the issue around" I am guilty as charged...

By the way, I guess its important for you to stay anonymous, but you have "figured out who I am and need to let me know":cool:

As for the cheapshot: Im at the bottom of the list and live in SOCAL so that's where my concern is focused. I'd be a fool to expect a MSP or ATL guy at the top of the food-chain to have concerns similar to mine...


Cheers
George
LAX 73N plug

Well the reality is that even though the benefits are less per pilot compared to 2005, it is still money. I much prefer to hire smartly, than hire like crazy only to then furlough for a unexpected bump.

We have a sustainable route structure, that needs bodies. We are losing the DC-9's but they to date, are still committed to the MD-90's and plan on obtaining 30 more officially. We will have retirements and growth in time. I prefer it to be sustainable.