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Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 941400)
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 941428)
Be wary of 965 and 964...
they're made in China! Cheers George |
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 941420)
The way I understand it there were some key players that were involved in all of them.
The AS agreement was modified to account for the NW AS agreement. IOW the Section 1 was in fact modified when DAL and NW merged... I agree that most of these things are in place now with little room for remedies. That's why it is so important to understand and learn from the mistakes and the successes. Something that's not possible if one doesn't allow for criticism of sections that are lacking. If we want to avoid past mistakes we need to acknowledge them, study them and ensure they don't happen again. or we just don't admit to mistakes and continue... Cheers George Now that we have time, I'd really like us to craft the contract the Delta pilots will work under, not to blindly head towards a TA. To me, the cornerstones would be be capturing as much of our flying as possible, a review of benefits, a redesign of Section 23, better DC rates, and, finally, tweaking payrates to get to the overall cost we can negotiate. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 941426)
They are not mystical. I think he is referring to my speculation. As Ed stated 100 Newer Airframes. Even with those 30 and the allowable 70+seat jets, there are still some jets unaccounted for in that figure.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 941417)
AirTran presentation:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...R5cGU9MQ==&t=1 Republic information: Republic Airways plays it closer to the chest than usual | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA http://www.centreforaviation.com/ima...republic12.png Look at the BH utilization and stage lenght. Those skew the numbers quite a bit. 433 miles for DL DC-9 vs 994 miles for YX Ejet? I think you need to look at similar stage lenghts and block hour to get an accurate comparision. I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day. |
Originally Posted by firstmob
(Post 941434)
Maybe the JAL MD-90's. I think the China Southern MD-90's are a done deal.
No idea just showing the words Ed used, and applying it to the limits of the PWA. |
Originally Posted by Martin404
(Post 941435)
Look at the BH utilization and stage lenght. Those skew the numbers quite a bit. 433 miles for DL DC-9 vs 994 miles for YX Ejet? I think you need to look at similar stage lenghts and block hour to get an accurate comparision.
I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day. So, not even actual numbers! Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero. Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics. |
Originally Posted by firstmob
(Post 941434)
Maybe the JAL MD-90's. I think the China Southern MD-90's are a done deal.
In August 2009, a total of 109 MD-90 aircraft (all variants) were in airline service, including:
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Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 941416)
I wouldn't say they are "mystical" MD-90s, we've recently taken delivery and operating 3, for a total of 19 on the line and there are 12 in storage under going maintenance/conversion. Ed said we'd acquire about 20 more. I'm sticking with at least 49 MD-90s in the fleet in the next 18 months, possibly more.
In storage: ship number-type-date of manufacture 9220 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97 9221 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97 9222 - MD-90-30 - 14-Dec-97 9223 - MD-90-30 - 30-Mar-98 9224 - MD-90-30 - 30-Jun-98 9225 - MD-90-30 - 01-Oct-98 9226 - MD-90-30 - 13-Dec-98 9227 - MD-90-30 - 26-Mar-99 9228 - MD-90-30 - 31-Mar-99 9229 - MD-90-30 - 14-Nov-96 9230 - MD-90-30 - 31-Oct-96 9265 - MD-90-30 - 19-Sept-00 I'm not so much interested in aircraft we "will" see, as airplanes I can see. I'm not debating your info, only waiting for it to be proven. You can't blame me for waiting for confirmation: the gap between rumored and delivered MD-90's is significant. I'm not discounting your info, let's just say I'm... deferring it. |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 941441)
Yep, did you read Note 2 on the YX numbers as well? It says, "YX E190 started operating in Q3 2009, stats represent internal forecasts".
So, not even actual numbers! Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero. Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics. |
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