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I read JG's memo as setting up the policy so that the number of times you use it should be proportional to the number of times flights are cancelled, or you're not boarded, for reasons outside of your control. I also read it to mean that it shouldn't be abused by the few, because it could place the entire policy in jeopardy.
Then I realized he could have done everything he needed to accomplish by simply stating that "the policy is not a substitute for good planning, and is not expected to be used routinely..." and it would have been nice if he stopped at adding "but we hope you find this mutually benefficial change will lessen the stress of your commute".
I'm not a commuter, but I am a professional. I do expect to be given policy and procedures, as well as their limitations, and to be trusted to operate within the limitations. I don't want a speech tailored to the 1-2% among us, and I resent the not-so-subtle implication that the default setting is for pilots to abuse the system.
As far as labor relations, and the "recovery compact" stuff, this is an epic fail. I would like to see, at a minimum, some comment from the union indicating the tone is unsat. It would be interesting to see if we'd have the nerve to send this back, since it conflicts with our contract. It can be agreed to, minus the b.s., and included as a LOA.
Then I realized he could have done everything he needed to accomplish by simply stating that "the policy is not a substitute for good planning, and is not expected to be used routinely..." and it would have been nice if he stopped at adding "but we hope you find this mutually benefficial change will lessen the stress of your commute".
I'm not a commuter, but I am a professional. I do expect to be given policy and procedures, as well as their limitations, and to be trusted to operate within the limitations. I don't want a speech tailored to the 1-2% among us, and I resent the not-so-subtle implication that the default setting is for pilots to abuse the system.
As far as labor relations, and the "recovery compact" stuff, this is an epic fail. I would like to see, at a minimum, some comment from the union indicating the tone is unsat. It would be interesting to see if we'd have the nerve to send this back, since it conflicts with our contract. It can be agreed to, minus the b.s., and included as a LOA.
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I read JG's memo as setting up the policy so that the number of times you use it should be proportional to the number of times flights are cancelled, or you're not boarded, for reasons outside of your control. I also read it to mean that it shouldn't be abused by the few, because it could place the entire policy in jeopardy.
Then I realized he could have done everything he needed to accomplish by simply stating that "the policy is not a substitute for good planning, and is not expected to be used routinely..." and it would have been nice if he stopped at adding "but we hope you find this mutually benefficial change will lessen the stress of your commute".
I'm not a commuter, but I am a professional. I do expect to be given policy and procedures, as well as their limitations, and to be trusted to operate within the limitations. I don't want a speech tailored to the 1-2% among us, and I resent the not-so-subtle implication that the default setting is for pilots to abuse the system.
As far as labor relations, and the "recovery compact" stuff, this is an epic fail. I would like to see, at a minimum, some comment from the union indicating the tone is unsat. It would be interesting to see if we'd have the nerve to send this back, since it conflicts with our contract. It can be agreed to, minus the b.s., and included as a LOA.
Then I realized he could have done everything he needed to accomplish by simply stating that "the policy is not a substitute for good planning, and is not expected to be used routinely..." and it would have been nice if he stopped at adding "but we hope you find this mutually benefficial change will lessen the stress of your commute".
I'm not a commuter, but I am a professional. I do expect to be given policy and procedures, as well as their limitations, and to be trusted to operate within the limitations. I don't want a speech tailored to the 1-2% among us, and I resent the not-so-subtle implication that the default setting is for pilots to abuse the system.
As far as labor relations, and the "recovery compact" stuff, this is an epic fail. I would like to see, at a minimum, some comment from the union indicating the tone is unsat. It would be interesting to see if we'd have the nerve to send this back, since it conflicts with our contract. It can be agreed to, minus the b.s., and included as a LOA.
Still waiting for someone to tell me where this is written in the PWA, I'm having a hell of a time finding it...
Chuck-
Its kinda complex, but here's the short version--
The Delta, Northwest, United and USAir pilots all received certain distributions of cash following bankruptcy. In some cases the distribution was substantial.
That money was all taxed as ordinary income.
The gov't. did make a 1 time exemption to the income limits for contributions to Roth IRAs but it still was counted as ordinary income.
This new law will allow the funds to be treated as if they were roll-overs to regular IRA accounts which means there would be no income tax due.
That means those of us who received those distributions can now convert them to regular IRAs and get a BIG tax refund.
Its only fair. We lost our entire pension in those bankruptcies.
Its kinda complex, but here's the short version--
The Delta, Northwest, United and USAir pilots all received certain distributions of cash following bankruptcy. In some cases the distribution was substantial.
That money was all taxed as ordinary income.
The gov't. did make a 1 time exemption to the income limits for contributions to Roth IRAs but it still was counted as ordinary income.
This new law will allow the funds to be treated as if they were roll-overs to regular IRA accounts which means there would be no income tax due.
That means those of us who received those distributions can now convert them to regular IRAs and get a BIG tax refund.
Its only fair. We lost our entire pension in those bankruptcies.
Check;
As I read it, you have to have paid the tax on those earnings in the payout year and now have to go back and amend that tax return to get the benefit. Is that how you read it?
I tried cut/pasting it here, but it comes out looking all weird. It does say "It is expected that a pilot will avail himself of Section 23 Y. 2. on a rare basis." so that line isn't new. It also says, "A pilot who has demonstrated a pattern of inability to report as scheduled will be subject to progressive disciplinary action."
The new policy is nice in that 2 hours aren't required between your primary and backup flight.
If it's an LOA/MOU then it cannot be unilaterally terminated. I think that is the why they leave it as a policy for the reasons stated in the bulletin. I'll see if I can dig up the original bulletin at fNW. IIRC the commentary wasn't quite as loaded as the current version.
Still waiting for someone to tell me where this is written in the PWA, I'm having a hell of a time finding it...
Still waiting for someone to tell me where this is written in the PWA, I'm having a hell of a time finding it...
disregard........
You will essentially be amending your return for they year you got the payments.
The mechanics of that is yet to be determined.
I've never filed an amended return. I have no idea how it will work.
Hopefully they will just create a special form for us and we won't have to go back and redo the whole tax return. Yikes!
I can't even remember what year we got that notes and claims money. 2007 maybe?
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Chuck-
Its kinda complex, but here's the short version--
The Delta, Northwest, United and USAir pilots all received certain distributions of cash following bankruptcy. In some cases the distribution was substantial.
That money was all taxed as ordinary income.
The gov't. did make a 1 time exemption to the income limits for contributions to Roth IRAs but it still was counted as ordinary income.
This new law will allow the funds to be treated as if they were roll-overs to regular IRA accounts which means there would be no income tax due.
That means those of us who received those distributions can now convert them to regular IRAs and get a BIG tax refund.
Its only fair. We lost our entire pension in those bankruptcies.
Its kinda complex, but here's the short version--
The Delta, Northwest, United and USAir pilots all received certain distributions of cash following bankruptcy. In some cases the distribution was substantial.
That money was all taxed as ordinary income.
The gov't. did make a 1 time exemption to the income limits for contributions to Roth IRAs but it still was counted as ordinary income.
This new law will allow the funds to be treated as if they were roll-overs to regular IRA accounts which means there would be no income tax due.
That means those of us who received those distributions can now convert them to regular IRAs and get a BIG tax refund.
Its only fair. We lost our entire pension in those bankruptcies.
How does someone figure out how to get that money? Will there be a step by step process?
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Guys,
I agree that we shouldn't have to worry about the FAs or any other employee group when negotiating, but I don't see an issue here for two reasons:
First - its policy and not contractual. I sure hope we didn't burn any bargaining leverage on a policy that can be unilaterally terminated.
Second - If it helps the company run smoother by getting employees into position wouldn't it be better to include all employee groups that commute?
Scoop
Getting it in the Senate bill was the big hurdle though.
I expect guidance from the govt and the union as soon as it becomes final.
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Guys,
I agree that we shouldn't have to worry about the FAs or any other employee group when negotiating, but I don't see an issue here for two reasons:
First - its policy and not contractual. I sure hope we didn't burn any bargaining leverage on a policy that can be unilaterally terminated.
Second - If it helps the company run smoother by getting employees into position wouldn't it be better to include all employee groups that commute?
Scoop
I agree that we shouldn't have to worry about the FAs or any other employee group when negotiating, but I don't see an issue here for two reasons:
First - its policy and not contractual. I sure hope we didn't burn any bargaining leverage on a policy that can be unilaterally terminated.
Second - If it helps the company run smoother by getting employees into position wouldn't it be better to include all employee groups that commute?
Scoop
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