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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
(Post 497298)
Any doubters left as to the benefits of the merger? I'm looking to find the other legacy announcements. Now its time to go own the world. Here is a memo from Glen on the announced route additions.
Date: November 12, 2008 To: Delta Colleagues Worldwide From: Glen Hauenstein Subject: Glen Memo: Delta To Serve More Unique International Destinations in 2009 Fall at Delta is always an exciting season as we look to the upcoming summer and the new destinations Delta will serve around the world. In 2005, Delta’s network restructuring began in earnest as we shifted internationally capable aircraft to new destinations across the Atlantic. That year, Delta’s revenue per available seat mile, RASM, was about 87 percent of industry average. Three years and more than 90 new international routes later, Delta is generating a premium to our peers with a length of haul-adjusted passenger RASM of 102 percent of the industry average. Without question, Delta’s smart international growth has positioned us ahead of our competitors and strengthened our hand during tough economic cycles. This strategy is advanced by new opportunities created by our recent merger with Northwest, including the ability to deploy a more flexible fleet to take advantage of market dynamics around the world. That’s why today we are announcing plans for 15 new international routes beginning in summer 2009, including service to 12 destinations not flown by any other U.S. carrier. In the current atmosphere of international financial uncertainty, the breadth of Delta’s additions across the Pacific, Atlantic and to Africa position us to take advantage of markets that continue to thrive, while offering a natural hedge where there is economic softness. Delta’s long-haul expansion for 2009 will make Delta the leader in three regions: • Trans-Pacific: Delta will be the No. 1 U.S. airline to Asia with the planned addition of three new nonstop flights between the United States and Tokyo-Narita, Japan, including new nonstop flights from Salt Lake City3 and New York-JFK1, a second daily flight from Atlanta3, and daily service connecting customers beyond Tokyo to Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam1. These flights are in addition to new trans-Pacific service previously announced by Northwest Airlines, including daily nonstop flights between Seattle and Beijing3 beginning March 1 and nonstop service connecting Detroit and Shanghai3, effective March 28. • Africa: Delta will remain the largest carrier to Africa in 2009. We also expect to be the only U.S. carrier operating direct service to the continent where traffic is projected to grow more than 5 percent annually through 2027. Delta plans to add new flights between Atlanta and Nairobi, Kenya1 and Cape Town, South Africa1,5 (via Dakar, Senegal); between Atlanta and Monrovia, Liberia1,4; Abuja, Nigeria1,4; Luanda, Angola1,4; and Malabo, Equatorial Guinea1,4 (all via Cape Verde); and between New York-JFK and Lagos, Nigeria1. Delta also will introduce its first daily nonstop service to South Africa with flights between Atlanta and Johannesburg1,2. • Europe/Middle East: Delta will build on its leading position across the Atlantic by focusing on underserved markets with high growth rates and robust traffic patterns. New flights include service between New York-JFK and Gothenberg, Sweden; Prague, Czech Republic1, Valencia, Spain1; and Zurich, Switzerland (seasonal); as well as the addition of a second daily nonstop flight between New York-JFK and Tel Aviv1. As part of its successful joint venture with Air France, Delta also recently announced new nonstop flights connecting Raleigh-Durham, N.C. and Pittsburgh to Air France’s Paris-Charles de Gaulle1 hub, effective June 2009. Delta’s successful international flying relies on the unmatched connectivity of our U.S. network, with each hub playing a unique role. To that end, Delta will improve connections to the world from our domestic hubs with 14.5 percent more total capacity between Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, Salt Lake City, New York and Memphis in January 2009 compared with the year prior. Hub-to-hub changes include some new flights, as well as upgauging select regional jet flights with mainline equipment. As America’s flag carrier to the world, we connect more U.S. cities to more destinations than any other airline. This is an advantage our customers have come to count on, and an advantage for our business as smart growth to the world’s fastest growing economies is a key ingredient of Delta’s proven strategy. Delta continues to hone a distinct and strategic global network that capitalizes on new opportunities created by our recent merger with Northwest; our leading position in New York – the world’s largest business market; and the unparalleled connectivity of Atlanta – the world’s largest passenger hub. The strength of the Delta network is a key element in the foundation for our success for years to come. It means better opportunity for our customers to fly any place they want to go, more opportunities for our crews to fly higher value flights, and more opportunities for all Delta people to work for a financially secure company. Your work every day continues to be a pivotal contribution to Delta’s international success. Our airline, even with the most convenient connections to the most destinations around the globe, cannot be successful without your commitment to giving our customers the best service every day. Together we are one great airline. Thank you for all you do. |
I'm curious as to what everyone thinks of this article.
Delta hub staying, shrinking | Cincinnati Enquirer | Cincinnati.Com Kinda reading between the lines, it sounds to me as if the CVG hub is a goner once Delta and Northwest have merged their operations together. I hope I'm wrong though. |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 497308)
Where hub are you talking about? - I'm guessing not JFK, because we already have two a day to Rome and don't serve LGW or CDG anymore from there.
They can call it whatever they want...its not going to be a hub for much longer. How can you say that yo are committed to CVG? In Mar 2008 CVG had 60 daily mainline departures, in Mar 2009 that number is down to 40. Mainline capacity cut of 33%, along with DLC flying down the drain... We all know what game DL is playing with CVG and MEM. Before the merger Glen said "We are fully committed to all our hubs", now he says "CVG will remain a hub until at least summer 2009, then we will take a look at the economy". This is their way of saying...hey the merger didn't cause the base closures, the economy did! |
ACL,
Month's ago we heard rumors about all the aircraft being moved to the right market such as the 747 to ATL, 777 to DTW (maybe), 767er to Asia, and the 330 to Europe, South America , Africa. Have you heard anything about when and if this is actually going to occur? I know base changes will be awhile, but thought "right-sizing" equipment to the route was going to happen fairly quickly. Denny |
Originally Posted by DALFA
(Post 497342)
They can call it whatever they want...its not going to be a hub for much longer.
How can you say that yo are committed to CVG? In Mar 2008 CVG had 60 daily mainline departures, in Mar 2009 that number is down to 40. Mainline capacity cut of 33%, along with DLC flying down the drain... RJs have higher costs than mainline aircraft, per seat mile. If Delta can cut RJs through CVG and funnel the traffic through DTW and make more money doing it on mainline equipment, why shouldn't they? Also, the reduction in traffic through CVG specifically said the would be mostly a RJ reduction, minor mainline reduction and no international cuts. |
In March of this year, Delta Air Lines operated 60 flights per day. In March of 2009 the schedule shows 40. Glenn can say what he wants, there has been a YOY decrease of 33% in Delta Air Lines flights.
As far as sending flights to DTW instead of CVG...yeah it makes more sense and is going to make more money, I'm not saying it doesn't make any sense to close CVG...but admit thats what your plans are! |
Originally Posted by DALFA
(Post 497357)
In March of this year, Delta Air Lines operated 60 flights per day. In March of 2009 the schedule shows 40. Glenn can say what he wants, there has been a YOY decrease of 33% in Delta Air Lines flights.
As far as sending flights to DTW instead of CVG...yeah it makes more sense and is going to make more money, I'm not saying it doesn't make any sense to close CVG...but admit thats what your plans are! I think that in the past two months, a lot of company's plans have changed. The financial meltdown and our recession might change the travel plans of the American public. That's why you see so much international growth and not so much domestic growth (thanks for posting all that stuff, BTW). I don't know if Delta was planning on getting rid of CVG, but look at the midwest - Delta now has MSP, DTW, CVG and MEM all right there. CVG might not be profitable enough. |
Oh no i'm not saying YOUR plans...I was referring to DL management as a whole. We know that in EVERY merger in airline history there has been base closures and/or furloughs. I don't like the fact that they are once again lying to us. Because we all know that there is a 95% chance that CVG and MEM will be gone when its all said and done, yes we will still have a presence...but not nearly what it is today!
All they had to say is "We are going to be looking at our network, and decide what is financially feasable for the company. There is the possibility of reallocation of airplanes, and a significant reduction of 1 or more hubs". We know its coming, thats what happens in a merger...you consolidate, thats why it saves money. Just don't lie to my face about it!!!! |
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Along those lines, is it any coincidance that SWA has entered into MSP? I think not. SWA thinks that DAL will cut in MSP or they wouldn't be there imo.
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 497393)
Along those lines, is it any coincidance that SWA has entered into MSP? I think not. SWA thinks that DAL will cut in MSP or they wouldn't be there imo.
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 497393)
Along those lines, is it any coincidance that SWA has entered into MSP? I think not. SWA thinks that DAL will cut in MSP or they wouldn't be there imo.
NWA to add flights to Chicago, match Southwest's air fares Ferd |
I would doubt that Delta will cut anything in MSP because I've always heard that MSP was a high-revenue city for NWA.
It would be foolish for NWA to reduce service there - remember MSP is a hub as well, a lot of that traffic MSP-MDW might of come from Asia, the west coast or the midwest. It's not just MSP-MDW that they are serving. |
Originally Posted by DALFA
(Post 497357)
In March of this year, Delta Air Lines operated 60 flights per day. In March of 2009 the schedule shows 40. Glenn can say what he wants, there has been a YOY decrease of 33% in Delta Air Lines flights.
As far as sending flights to DTW instead of CVG...yeah it makes more sense and is going to make more money, I'm not saying it doesn't make any sense to close CVG...but admit thats what your plans are! |
Originally Posted by Dash8Pilot
(Post 497340)
I'm curious as to what everyone thinks of this article.
Delta hub staying, shrinking | Cincinnati Enquirer | Cincinnati.Com Kinda reading between the lines, it sounds to me as if the CVG hub is a goner once Delta and Northwest have merged their operations together. I hope I'm wrong though. Balancing CVG operations to increase profitability We’re planning some additional restructuring to our Cincinnati hub to complement its schedules with operations at our other hubs and to improve the station’s overall profitability. We’ll reduce the current seven-bank structure to five, starting in January, and eliminate some unprofitable late-evening flights. There will be some reduction of frequencies, primarily in Delta Connection markets with low local passenger demand. Mainline flying will remain essentially the same, and no changes are planned for CVG’s international schedules. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 497708)
This is straight from an internal email today. Should answer the question.
Balancing CVG operations to increase profitability We’re planning some additional restructuring to our Cincinnati hub to complement its schedules with operations at our other hubs and to improve the station’s overall profitability. We’ll reduce the current seven-bank structure to five, starting in January, and eliminate some unprofitable late-evening flights. There will be some reduction of frequencies, primarily in Delta Connection markets with low local passenger demand. Mainline flying will remain essentially the same, and no changes are planned for CVG’s international schedules. I am going to say it for the third time, numbers don't lie. Year over year MAINLINE flights are down about 33%. In March of 2008 there were 60 mainline departures out of CVG, in March of 2009 there will be 40. No other hub has seen even close a reduction as CVG. Call it whatever you want, CVG is being torn apart. Delta once had over 700 daily departures from CVG...now we are down to just over 200. Once again actual MAINLINE flights went from 60 (2 months prior to merger announcement) to 40(couple of months after merger closing). In the end its the employees of Delta Air Lines that will have to bend over and take another one for the team while Richard walks away with a little bonus of 13.6 million dollars! We have a slumping economy and we are still losing money...there is absolutely no reason he should have gotten all that money! 1.5-2 million now, the rest would have been justifiable after the first year of turning a profit! |
Originally Posted by 8CherryGarcia
(Post 497323)
Plus, killer waves for surfing on a great beach, and some of the best night life in lower Africa..
I saw your post about Angola and your comment about the surf caught my attention. I was wondering if you would like to share some info on the country and the surf in the area. A surf trip to Southern Africa is pretty high on my to do list and any insight or info would definitely help. Hope to hear from ya. Thanks. Note: I would have Pm'd ya, but the website would not allow it. PM me if you care to share some info. |
Denny;
Not sure if there will be a formal announcement or not on the 744 flying. It may come today or tomorrow if there is one. There were a few routes that were left out of this announcement and I do not know why. Also I would start checking our March and April schedules for a/c Types. I think that you will see the a/c shift occur with out a major announcement. It is existing service with a different jet. Ala, no big deal for the flying public. They see all jets the same. Ya know! As for CVG, and the ER bid. DAL appears to be setting something up. CVG should be on the bid with an ER base. Now how ever the SLI goes may mean a shift of that base to DTW. Either way I see the bodies for the increased flying going to CVG for the short term.(The CVG 767 base is basically DHing to ATL to do our nice four day trips. Have you seen these trips. Four days and 26+ hrs of credit!!!) There will be a lot of changes in the coming year or so. Some of it was deemed too expensive and they will wait until IAM is dealt with before they move some of the assets. But rest assured there will be airplanes all over the place. One of the things that I have been hearing is a deal with IAM where they service our(DAL) jets in MSP, DTW, SEA and the like. Delta in turn will be allowed to have DGS service NWA jets in other cities. If this is approved by IAM it means that the major cost of the shift has been dealt with, and the original movement will be accomplished. It would save DAL millions on new employee acquisition costs. |
Looks like the AE needs to be out by the end of next week for the summer 09 schedule.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 497901)
Looks like the AE needs to be out by the end of next week for the summer 09 schedule.
On another note, since it looks like CVG will get an ER category, how long until SLC gets one since it will be the only base without an ER category? |
DAL is now down to the wire for the training as it pertains to next summer's schedule. If they do not get moving on it, we will not have enough bodies for March and April.
Also, I would venture to guess that more cities will be announced when we know the extent of the delays from Boeing. If DAL management has its way we are looking at all ER categories in three years. SLC and LAX (where ever the 767 and 757 are eventually based) are next followed by ATL in three years or so. That way it is all one group like many of the other airlines do it. I know that I will not do it unless the reserve rules are changed. No way do I want to bid for 24 hr call outs. |
Hey "Old Delta" guys,
Would one of you please explain to this "New Delta" guy the difference in your 757/767 categories. I notice from the seniority list that you have some guys who are: 7ER 764 767 I gather that the ER is international only. But, where do the 764's and 767's fly? What's the difference? Can a pilot fly either one? How about the ER? Ok. I will stop with the questions. Thanks for any information. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 498047)
Hey "Old Delta" guys,
Would one of you please explain to this "New Delta" guy the difference in your 757/767 categories. I notice from the seniority list that you have some guys who are: 7ER 764 767 I gather that the ER is international only. But, where do the 764's and 767's fly? What's the difference? Can a pilot fly either one? How about the ER? Ok. I will stop with the questions. Thanks for any information. 7ER is International/Hawaii 767ER and 757s. Sometimes flys domestic time if in the bid package but not that often. Bases ATL, NYC, LAX, with the possibility of CVG in the near future. 767 is the domestic 757/767 category. Flys domestic which for us includes North America, Caribbean, Mex, Central America. Not able to fly 7ER trips at this point. Bases ATL, CVG, SLC, LAX. |
This might have been covered in one of the 2000+ posts, but I heard that some of this Africa flying will be out of Sal Island with out and backs to these other destinations. Anyone know? I think I would prefer that over laying over in these rebel infested destinations.:D
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 498058)
764 is the 767-400. Separate category that only flys the -400. Mostly International/Hawaii now but still has a few few domestic pairings. Based in ATL only.
7ER is International/Hawaii 767ER and 757s. Sometimes flys domestic time if in the bid package but not that often. Bases ATL, NYC, LAX, with the possibility of CVG in the near future. 767 is the domestic 757/767 category. Flys domestic which for us includes North America, Caribbean, Mex, Central America. Not able to fly 7ER trips at this point. Bases ATL, CVG, SLC, LAX. |
Hawaii,
And to add another question, did I hear that the ER category may go away and all 757/767 guys may do domestic and international? A mixed bid packet depending on what you want to do that month? |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 498085)
And to add another question, did I hear that the ER category may go away and all 757/767 guys may do domestic and international? A mixed bid packet depending on what you want to do that month?
That would require a change to our JCBA and would result in job losses. I don't think anybody is in the mood for that. JMO |
Yes, they are looking at getting ride of the 767 domestic and making it all "ER"
All of the overnights will be in SAL. Not too good in some of these countries. |
It is what the company wants, not what they are going to get.
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I've wondered about the 76/75 categories for a long time. Is there any difference in the ships other than range? (avionics, systems?) If not how did you guys come to have three different categories?
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Nothing is different except the 767-400 is glass with speed tapes, the ER pilots have had international, and mountain training. Domestic flies the 767-300, 767-300ER, and all 757's. The ER guys can fly all the airplanes too. The 77-400 guys just fly the 400.
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Slow,
Not familiar with how you man per jet. It would require fewer pilots do to fewer reserves? Whole new world......sorry |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 498089)
Yes, they are looking at getting ride of the 767 domestic and making it all "ER"
All of the overnights will be in SAL. Not too good in some of these countries. |
We had our crews there for about 2 weeks because of some political convention in DKR, the prince took every hotel room in the city...and we got pushed out to SID. Very nice resort...the best part was that it was all inclusive! Including liquor!!! You are going to have some very happy crews flying in and out of SID!
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Yes, and some other issues as well. It seems that the DKR overnights have gotten a little rowdy. Guess that there have been some complaints.
What do you expect though? |
Rowdy??? Come on. It brings out the best of us! And keeps some of the "mature" f/a's away! Anyone say party????
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 498096)
Slow,
Not familiar with how you man per jet. It would require fewer pilots do to fewer reserves? |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 498083)
So, if you are on the ER you could wind up flying the 757?
A domestic 767 guy will fly 757 the majority of the time but will also see the 737-300 domestic ships (21) and occasionally a 767-300ER usually between the hubs. I'm with Slowplay on the combined categories. Fewer categories equals less reserve pilots required which means fewer jobs for us. The tendency is for guys to say, "It'd be cool to do an occasional international (domestic) trip", but we don't need to do anything that gives the company an excuse to have less of us around, in my opinion. Also, the -ER FOs are required to keep a Class 1 physical (2 trips to the doc/year) plus, as it stands now, attend recurrent twice a year. That's in addition to the initial expense of the international qual and world wide Jepps for every 767 guy ( there's a lot of us). Lastly, with everyone -ER qualed, some of us (me) would see international ops so little we'd be dangerous. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 498219)
You nailed it. A larger combined category would be more "efficient" from a manning standpoint. There are other tradeoffs in training that mitigate this somewhat.
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Originally Posted by GoGators85
(Post 497724)
Hey,
I saw your post about Angola and your comment about the surf caught my attention. I was wondering if you would like to share some info on the country and the surf in the area. A surf trip to Southern Africa is pretty high on my to do list and any insight or info would definitely help. Hope to hear from ya. Thanks. Note: I would have Pm'd ya, but the website would not allow it. PM me if you care to share some info. Don't get me wrong, the local population were the nicest group of folk you'd ever want to meet, but stuck in the middle and in a nasty cycle of poverty. I think the statistic that staggered me the most was that there was an estimated 14 million people there, but over 16 million land mines...:eek: Luanda proper includes the only deep water port in SW Africa. It has a big harbor right downtown with a great night life..people tend to dance and drink heavily during armed conflicts! The main beach is very nice, and with a decent beach break. Sharks are common, but less aggressive than Cape Town, for example. I had a long board shipped in while I was there and pretty much got the whole town out with there jaws dropped to watch me catch a few rides!! Air France, TAP and Air Angola were the only options then. (Air Angola had a 737-200 with rough field kit on it!). but I wasn't kidding about the raw materials; oil, diamonds, platinum...did I mention oil? the place was crawling with Russians, S. Africans, Cubans and very few Americans when I was there. (15 yrs ago). I know the US backed rebel leader, Savimbi, took 15 bullets a couple of years ago and the movement sort of died with him. I don't know what the current government looks like. (We carried Pres. Dos Santos and Savimbi, just not at the same time, to peace talks in Zambia) If you plan on going there, I would count on very few amenities...there used to be a Hotel Metropole downtown that most of the expats stayed at. Fresh meat and veggies were hard to come by. Like I said, if you can used to the fact that there are no rules...it's kinda liberating! |
Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 498232)
Yes the -ER guys fly the ETOPS 757s to Hawaii and Europe right now as well as the 767-300ERs. .
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